General Chat

No,it is not acceptable, but that is the way the extradition laws stand at the moment; there is no compulsion for the requesting country (the USA in this case) to provide evidence that a person has commited a crime in or against their country.

Although Wikki states that the 2003 US/UK extradition treaty has been ratified by the US government, I have a suspicion that that is not quite correct -it is a very one sided agreement in favour of the USA.

The British Justice system is also flawed, until recently at least allowing terrorist suspects to be locked up without charge, or not being told what they are being charged with under UK law.

However, would the general public think it right that a charged murderer be allowed to walk the street for 2 years while the CPS prepares its case?

Holding suspects in custody while the extradition proceedings are put in place is presumably because they are deemed likley to incite or commit further 'crimes', or were a flight risk.

There is no catch-all answer.

I agree with you Roy. he is hanging on hoping pehaps that he will be released. because he has been in prison so long.. or people will react and start something up to get him released.

He could have gone to American and faced the courts as innocent ? and been home. but there must be some reason he does not want to go.?he perfers to stay here.and remain in prison by the look of things.

look at the terriost who have been tried and stay in this country making all excues to stay here. they have appealed at all the courts and we cannot even get rid of them yet dont want them in this country because of the trouble they bring. is that right ?.

What terrorists are these that have been tried and stayed in this country?

I do think, despite what anyone says, that we should keep our innocent until tried and proved guilty system. i repeat - if hes done something wrong, put him on trial. I can just imagine some english person in, say, an iranian prison for 8 years without trial on allegations of spying or terrorism.

Its a basic right of everyone to be told why they are in prison and to be given the opportunity to answer the allegations. Its our system, Its our prison and hes here in the uk. We should not roll over on our backs to appease the yanks and we should not use the yanks as an excuse to ride roughshod over a justice system that has taken centuries to establish. It stinks to high heaven. National security my bottom. Its as much national security as the kid looking for ufo reports is national security.

I still dont see how he can be blamed for fighting extradition to somewhere that condones torture, waterboarding and has the death penalty. Who wouldn't!

Eldrick, You have several valid points but the problem with terrorism is that it is a very dark dirty world that they operate in and until the powers that be come up with a better solution to tackle this problem then we are stuck with it, as for the US his crime was against their law's and whether we like it or not we have to respect the law's of other democratic countries even if we don't fully agree with their penalties,

However, They the US have historically only ever got involved when it suits them? We for years suffered terrorism funded by US citizens, (How they changed when it affected them) then suddenly theirs a war on terror led by the US

Roy

Well, yes, exactly. They werent so keen when they were doing the collections in bars in new york, were they. How times change.

But actually, there is no need to respect the laws of any country if they have a lower standard than our own. And there should, imho, not be any treaty with any country which keeps the death penalty, but thats another argument.

How many more rights and liberties are we willing to give up to help the government fight 'terror'? They got us in to it, dont expect me to give up my freedoms to get us out of it. Thats what i think, anyway!

Sadly there does not seem to be any politician from any party or any country that would not sell the electorate down the swanee given half the chance,

Politicians are like the parasites that feed on the bodies of host animals,
You would like to get rid of them but you can't because you no you need them to survive

Roy

Oh so true. How i wish that we had an effective and credible opposition party.
And how i wish that we had one in 2003 as well. Its the only thing to keep the corruption and self serving in check. This lot arent up to the job, not even close to it.