General Chat

The one was Sue ,but that dosn't make him any better than the others a man connected through the others to terrorist activities and plotting killings '
Let the yanks have him,good riddance to rubbish.Fred.

Both the cps and the attorney general accept that there is no evidence to support a prosecution in the uk. The usa have not provided any evidence.

He has been in prison for 8 years. Leave aside his race and religion and what are we left with?

We get the system we deserve. Hands up anyone who trusts the americans and their military tribunal system? Or their ordinary justice sustem?

Beware the knock on the door in the middle of the night. It could be you or your family next, in the interests of national security.

If he is inocent then he should have been exported and stood trial to prove he was.

It does not matter if he was born in England ( Britian) he is wanted in another country he should go. we have too many doing this hanging on delaying trials.

If I was him I'd be fighting extradition to the US. Ah....but then again he's a Muslim.....off with his head!!

So are you saying because he is of a different religion he should not be extradited? if you look at the recent people extradited you will see they are not Moslems., so I dont think that has anything to do with it. he is wanted for some thing he did in another country.

No, but im saying that the principle of innocent until proven otherwise has been overuled by an infamous extradition treaty that is not required to show any evidence.

Why should anyone be required to prove they are innocent? Surely thats the wrong way round? You cant say 'i accuse you now prove it is not so' . That is just so wrong!

No - what I'm saying is that he shouldn't be extradited to the US when they have not produced any evidence to support the extradition. He shouldn't be shipped out because he's Muslim and therefore guilty by association.

What worries me more to be honest is that extradition is also being used for non-terrorists, like the young man who has broken US copyright laws by streaming videos here ( where he has broken no law as far as I know ) . I suppose this is one of those times when one either has to accept the ruling for ALL, regardless of crime, or reject it for all ....

Sorry can't answer if anyone responds, off for eye test.

Exactly so. There is the smell of a sinister agenda here.

If you are all so against extradition to the US then what about this chap.
65 yrs old business man ...

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6542027-retired-business-man-setup-by-usa-agents-in-arms-to-iran-sting

and he isn't a muslim...

And he didnt spend 8 years in prison with no charge or trial either, which is the point i am making.

I am not getting at these people because they are Muslim,perish the thought ,i would say ,get rid of them if they were Jewish , German or Spanish if they were wanted for crimes in some other country where they have been connected to any terror cells of any nationality.
As regards charges ,this guy has been proved to be connected to islamic terror groups ,and is also wanted for spying .
I do not agree with the fella two months go being deported for selling batteries to another country which can be used for many purposes, or the removal of a teenager who is proved to have mental health problems, because he hacked into an American survailance site ,i am with you all on those daft American ideas.
The yanks can be over sensitive to many things that are not a threat to anyone.
My apologies to any Muslims who took this the wrong way ,i have quite a few muslim friends as well as other nationalities all of which so far as i am aware are solid nice people.
Fred. :-)

He is English.

if he has been proved guilty, i missed the trial. Spying? Lol.

I repeat - the uk authorities have said there is no evidence against him in the uk. None. Zero. But he has been in a uk prison for 8 years.

What a sad, damning indictment that is on our so called justice system. And even sadder that so many people think it is acceptable!

For someone like him, the best place is in prison,l would'nt want him on the streets to continue planning and moving around the world .....the sooner the Americans get him the better!! The have alot of questions to ask him!!

jude

And on what grounds do you base that tirade? Lol

But surely this man is fighting to stay in Britian and not be exradited so he is holding up his time and that is why he is in prison for so long.?
does he think he stands a better chance in Britian to be found innocent ?when he could be guilty.?

So presumably you think its fine to have a person extradited without any evidence. Well, leaving that abhorrent thought aside, the question is why is a person in a uk prison for 8 years without any trial?

It beggars belief that anyone can say its his own fault! How many different ways is there to say that there is no evidence against him in this country and the yanks have not provided any for their allegations.

Obviously, i have to accept that most people seem to think that is fair and just and acceptable. Which actually saddens me but is no great surprise.

I remember the fuss about the injustice of a parking ticket being issued. But 8 years in prison without trial is fine, lol.

Of course it isn't right. There is no evidence in this country I cannot see why he has been held.

The USA "say" they have evidence, let's hear it then before he's extradited. And is this the same USA who refused to extradite escaped IRA terrorists? I really cannot understand why we are letting the USA dictate to us, given their record on harbouring suspected and convicted IRA terrorists.

Gwynne

I agree that the Extradition Act 2003, is questionable? but it is not true that it only works one way? it is wrong that no evidence is required,

But in the case of Babar Ahmad their is plenty of evidence to support his extradition and the reason for his extradition is simply because his crimes were aimed at the US,

To me it's sad that our political leaders and the courts both here and in the EU don't seem to be able to get their act together, this man should have had his case heard and dealt with within 3 month of him being charged/arrested and or indited for extradited, But i still say it was his call and people like that cannot be allowed to be free to continue pedaling their beliefs and risking the lives of innocent men women and children.

Roy