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NO COFFEE BREAKS FOR YOU GIRLS!

Well I was amazed by the archbishops comments last week about bringing certain aspects of Sharia Law into this country.
I am not Racist or predudice in any way I have friends of all religions, also Gay friends.
But if people in this country they should follow our laws.
This American lady was enjoying coffee in Starbucks in Saudi Arabia when religious police came in and asked why she was sitting with men! she was thrown in jail.
We dont stone people in this country.
Like to think we are more civilised.
Anyway rant over.

Davexx

i agree with you dave. i think if you live in britain you should abide by our laws.if i went to live in another country, i wouldnt expect to live by any laws or rules except their own.i think people need to remember this if they want to come and live here, if they dont like it they shouldnt come here in the first place.

Someone should remind the archbishop of Christ's teachings,to whit,render unto god what is god's,and render unto man ,what is mans.
Interpreted as meaning ,any man of God should have nothing to do with worldly things ,like politics.
Sharia law should be applied in any country that practices islam,and left there,this is a christian country,if you don't like our laws,then.GO HOME.Fred.

i agree too,


makes my blood boil at times !!!!!

xxLynnxx

ive said this before,
if i went to china,i would embrace there culture.
if i went to india,israel,japan,anywhere i would embrace there culture and respect there laws.
why because its there country,there beliefs.

when people come to england,the same rule should apply.
like you dave i havent an ounce of racisim in my body,my mum and dad brought me up better.
i take anyone on face value,...best way.
but i too get angry,my dad fought in ww2,to make this world a better place,
what did he acomplish.bless him

Joy you hit nail right on the head
Dx

keep british law

british


but in other countrys each to there own

The Archbishop only said that he thought it was inevitable that some elements of Sharia Law would become legal here. There are *some* aspects of it that could be introduced without causing any effect on any non-Muslims, such as the marriage laws.

It doesn't matter what other countries do - we are in this country and have the right to fight for law changes if we want to. I've done it myself and it doesn't matter if I wasn't born here or my parents or grandparents weren't - I'm a British citizen and that gives me a say.

Part of Britain being more civilised than other countries is about being democratic and if some British Muslims want to fight for change the same as non British Muslims, why should that be a problem?

Uggers I dont agree with you! But I will fight to the death your reason for saying it!, Do other people Muslims ! say that?
Dx

From My understanding "Sharia Law" would in No way affect the Laws Of England.

It is used as a simple way of sorting out problems between people, Marriage problems and small disputes,nothing more.

It would not be the same as it is In Saudi Arabia where the two go hand in hand,The law of the land Is Sharia,There.

Who Knows it could even save money if they had small religious courts for minor things.

As long as thats all its for and it does not become part of the British system in the general term,I cant see a problem.

Roxanne, ok agree! but sometimes things are brought in! Thin edge of the wedge comes to mind?
Dx

The problem is that a "minor accommodation" tends not to be the end of it, the boundaries get extended further and further.

Take the law on homosexuality.
It was illegal.
Then it was made legal in private.
Then It was accepted as a range of acceptable lifestyles to be taught in schools.
Then same sex unions became legally enforceable.
And so on.............

Or devolution, under which we were told that the Scottish Parliament would have little more power than a parish Council.

Or European Union, which has evolved from a free trade customs area (except that after over 30 years duties have not been harmonised and free movement of goods does not include fags and booze, etc..) into a law-making political body.

Sharia law is a religious code, based on a book.
UK law is secular, based on processes laid down by our representatives in Parliament and by judgements.

Mixing them will cause endless problems.

why can't we keep british laws british if you dont like them don't live here and i'm not racist

♫¸, the law is a constantly changing thing and always has been - how wrong would it be to still have laws which enabled children to be hung or transported for theft? Those were changed by British people.

Brian and Mick, in what way would it be a problem for anyone to allow Muslims to legally marry in their own religious buildings instead of having to have a religious ceremony and a legal ceremont as they do now? How would that be absurd or the thin end of the wedge.

Brian, of course the laws on homosexuality developed. Society has become more tolerant and civilised.

Uggers

That was exactly my point, UK law can be changed by Parliament or by judicial interpretation.
Laws imported from external sources are beyond the influence of our legislature and cannot be changed by them.

I was only using the gay right scenario as an example, amongst others, of how a step originally put forward on the grounds to decriminalise private behaviour has developed to encompass partnership, tenancy, pension, custody, reproduction and so on, well beyond the stated aims of the original advocates.

As I said, the European Union has developed in the same way, by a series of "tidying up" exercises and using Health and Safety, Competition or Human Rights to move towards a condition which politicians involved deny to be the target until it is reached.

Basically, I respect the law and customs of countries I visit, I expect them to do the same when in the UK. If they don't want to do that, then the simple answer is - bugger off!!

But, Ann, what about British citizens who are also Muslim? What about those who are from here and who don't like the laws and haven't got anywhere to bugger off too? I've protested against laws that I felt needed changing - where should I have buggered off too?

I haven't read much about this so forgive me if I've got the smelly end of the stick! lol. But wasn't the archbishop advocating some of the values of Sharia law rather than the introduction of the laws themselves?

As I understand it, British law as it stands is devoid of any religion, even Christianity. And that's the way I would like it to stay as I believe in the old addage "if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile"...and I wouldn't like to see ANY religion governing the law of the land.

i find it wrong that children dont have an asembly,where they sing hymns and say prayers.
also were not encouraged to call it xmas,but winter holidays.
the jewish community have got it right ,they teach there own,this does,nt effect us at all.and they can concentrate on there beliefs.

surely British citizens who are Muslim got their religion from somewhere else - we never taught it in our schools they brought it with them from wherever they came from - I disagree with many of the laws of our country but I shall not be buggering off anywhere, I shall protest as is my right as a British citizen. If Muslims want full Muslim law, whatever that may be, they should not get it here because I believe that this is a Christian nation - they are welcome to live here but do not interfere with what was here centuries before they arrived. We would not think of doing that in Muslim countries - we weren''t raised like that - we were brought up to respect the religions and customs of others but we do not want it foisted on us - well I don't anyway.