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just been sat here thinking when i was at school if anyone did wrong it was the cane if i was home and i did summat wrong it was dads leather belt now its the kids telling parents and teachers what to do back then there was hardly any theft or worse still murders now its an eveyday occurence a14 year old stabbing an 11 year old to death ????????? drugs ??????????? assault on oaps ????????????? and the govt wonder why ??????????/ i tell ya why it was them stopped us chastising our kids thats why or do you disagree ???????????????? there got that off my chest malc (i m 54 )

Youngest son and his son were round for dinner yesterday. I couldn't believe how the 4 year old stood in defiance of his dad. He was told to do something but he just said 'No.' I would never have got away with it with my dad.

I agree with you 100% Malcolm Vivienne

totally agree xx

There are ways to discipline your children without assaulting them, I have a 21 year old and a 19 year old, they have never been in trouble with the police, at school, outside with neighbours, etc. We have never beaten them, but have been strict, or so my mother has always told us. They are both doing very well, are hard working, have respect for others. There's always been theft, murders, assaults, etc., we just didn't hear so much about it years ago, as we do now, as things were not so widely reported then. M.

No respect for elders, but then again some children have pathetic parents as role models. Not saying your son Jim, but 4 year olds are quick to pick up on outside influences and television etc. I'm shocked at how easily TV presenters use swear words in shows which children will be watching. Didn't agree with views of Mary Whitehouse at the time but now i think some shows are way past decency. Or am i becoming a grumpy old woman LoL (No replies Daniel lol) Mau x ps Agree M. my Family are all law abiding, and we have never used smacking or bullying, but they were brought up with kindness and discipline,and as I said before with a respect for others. My Grandsons are a credit to their parents.

On Saturdays in the Manchester Evening News there is a section where news stories from exactly 100 years ago are reprinted.They are just as bad,if not worse than today.Back then a 14 year old could probably have murdered many 11 year olds that no one cared about or knew about.

Yes, there may have been thefts, murders and assaults years ago, Morfydd, but not many involving shcoolchildren. The 'worst' thing I can remember happening at our school in the 1960s was a girl of 16 getting pregnant just before she left. No-one even DARED answer a teacher back in those days.

Disagree. I was never caned at school and never beaten at home - although I was smacked. I haven't yet stabbed, raped or pillaged anyone. If you read criminology books you'll find that many notorious criminals came from extremely strict families where discipline was physical. There is discipline lacking in today's society but I don't think whackin everone who misbehaves with a leather belt is going to miraculously solve the country's problems - and it certainly ain't going to deal with drug issues. Andrea & Morffyd - think you've made a good point about our awareness of crimes now.

To add to Maureen's remarks... it's not just no respect for their parents or anyone else, they have no respect for theirs or anyone elses belongings. Easy come, easy go. I do recall when we were kids if you had something for Christmas/birthday that you really wanted, you treasured it and looked after it. A bike ??? well what a treasure... you polished it, handled it carefully and it was your pride and joy. Nowadays, the children get off their bikes (which cost a fortune) and sling them on the floor etc. etc. The world has changed a lot since I was small - no not quite the dark ages - but the 1950's - and I'm sorry to say that in a lot of ways it has changed for the worse.

I see that a few times the word 'beating' being used in this thread. The very word brings violence to mind. On the other hand when I was young I recall that my brothers and I were 'smacked' for wrong-doings and that didn't mean that we lost respect for our parents or that we loved them less but did make us think whether we should do that again. At school there was always the threat of the cane but, in my opinion, made us respect our teachers more. The problem today is not only a lack of strict discipline but kids are given so much lea-way within the law be that aggression to any degree against parents, teachers or just about anybody and they know they can get away with it.

I agree fully Malcolm Been saying the same thing years Paul

Well I've never been hit by any teacher and I haven't got any plans to murder anyone, rob old people or commit random acts of arson.

I don't agree with physical punishment but there are definitely no consequencies to bad behaviour,especially at school.Last year my son told me he was going to start turning up for school late and being naughty in lessons because the kids that always turned up late got 'prizes' for improved punctuality,and the 'naughty' kids got taken to Asda and bought books and felt tips when their behaviuor improved.He wanted to know why he never got rewarded for always behaving and never turning up late. I just said he had to be pleased with himself for always trying his best,but I don't think it helps when they see bad behaviour 'rewarded'

I Agree with you Malcolm it never done me or my 8 siblings any harm, I was never beaten at home or school but i knew the threat was there. June x

I do agree it never did us any harm, Lil PS and if we did get into trouble at school or told off by a neighbour we didnt tell are parents as they would tell you off too

bring back national service and give 'em some discipline. works in other countrys

I agree, the threat of being caned at school or smacked at home was enough to make me behave.. I also agree with National Service for the little darlings. Lets get discipline back.

I see my reply has bee looked over. Shame as it's really only one of a few answers you'll get from someone who's actually amongst the the so-called carange.

I noticed your reply, Daniel,But I am afraid that it is YOUR generation that is being discussed, Trouble, is that violence is hardly ever PLANNED, it becomes second nature, to some. and they do not see any wrong in beating someone up. Bob