General Chat

Mac, not seen it...but sounds dubious to me...much like the statistics bandied about twenty some years ago that implied the 'Troubles' would be over in N Ireland because the Catholic birth rate would exceed protestants and therefore the vote then would be for the six counties to be 'returned ' to Eire .

I think it sounds like a good scheme Rose .

A few years ago in the area where I live we had a great number of asylum seekers arrive and on top of that a lot of migrant workers ( Portuguese people ) ..............it caused a certain amount of unrest and general grumbling from the locals............but now I hardly notice those " foreign " folk about in town. I think that most of them have either gone back to there native lands or moved away from here ( we are an employment black spot ).

In the case of people who are here illegally , they are stuck aren't they , so if they became " legal " then maybe , if they wished , they would be free to move on to live else where , or remain here and feel secure and able to integrate into our society.

I too have no problems with people who wish to settle here in this country as long as they contribute to the economy and abide by the rules, what gets up my nose is the ones who slag Great Britain off for parading our soldiers throught the streets and then claim the right to demonstrate, i'm sure if we lived in other country and did as they do we would be on first plane home if not jail.

Helen

I have to agree with Uggers on all points.

These people are looking to become legal citizens who will pay taxes and contribute in other ways too. They're not looking for handouts and many of them would probably literally have their lives put in danger if they returned to their country of origin. They could probably contribute so much if they were allowed to.

This country is definitely short of housing and of funding in most key areas. What it isn't short of is money. It's about time people stopped attacking decent hard working immigrants (as stupid people do with every wave of immigrants this country has ever had) who just want to make a better life for their families and start attacking the politicians and managers and directors who are channelling money into the wrong things and places.

For anyone who may have seen the you tube video that I think Mac is referring to which, in my opinion, is a load of claptrap here is a link to a website which contains an article you should read.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/22723

When I was in Brazil, as I chatted to waiters throughout my stay Brazilian & Jamacians I aksed if they had everbeen to the UK all told me that the UK has the strictest Immigration and was the hardest country to enter, I was shocked as well...however over the last few years I know it has tightened up...and if MrA marries Miss B then A & B can not come and outstay there welcome, if they do they are illegel imigrants they can not claim benefits as they are illegel they have no NINO....

Good Evening to you all

Can I offer my views?

People have been migrating from countries since the beginning of time.

Some of the media deliberately stirs up trouble and blames groups of people for the current problems in the country.

Bigotry of one form or another has always existed.

What I will say though is that when anyone emigratescountry, they be prepared to integrate and abide by the laws of the country. Otherwise, why move?

All migrants should have to go through the legal process for emigration.

However, some countries have the resources and the need to take more migrants. Others do not. So some countries need to set a cap on the numbers for a while.

As for planning, a government needs to make long term policies
for housing, education and health services. This way there would not be the problems of shortages and people being denied medicines, etc.

The issue of shortages is manipulated by certain unpleasant groups, who stir up trouble.

Can I add that in the 1970's and 1980's, I mixed with children of all religions, backgrounds and from different countries.

It did not bother me.

Best wishes to you all.
x

I remember (which some of you may be too young to ) the discussions vis a vis the 'Ugandan' refugees, Vietnamese boat people ...to name but two groups...who when they arrived, integrated and worked...and also, it has always been the case in the past that immigrants ( going way back now) have taken the 'worst' jobs and worked their way up whenever possible, and worked damn hard! to stay in the country whose Democracy they admired and aspired to.... IMO

Hayley

Mr A is working here legally and marries Miss B in country Z. Then he can legally apply bring the new Mrs A to the UK as a resident. No problem.

The family of Miss B then visit and stay illegally! Even though they are not registered for benefits anywhere initially they do find their way into the system. I wish I could explain more but I must not!

x

good thread Rose

Sue, I think as with any laws/systems, there will always be loopholes which are exploited... whichever country it applies to, it is just a case of closing those loopholes whilst keeping a 'fair and compassionate' overview, if I can put it that way

xx

Jumping back to Mac's post about the email, if I had recieve the same email I would of sent it right back to the bigot that passed it on...

I have a couple of points that concern me...one is I have said in the past that I would of glady kick in any ones head that shouted abuse at my son or servicemen whatever their race was who shouted abuse our forces whist they were on parade back from serving aborad ..so what does that make me?

Secondly ...we have some friends whom openly display im my opinion racist views.....and own a home in Spain and planned to move over there..does that not make immigrants after they have left the Uk and moved to Spain?

Mac not sure I am looking in the right place...but LOL at something on that link you just gave


"3:28 MAC Rose Romance Haul " lol

Hayley, I fully understand your feelings re the abuse of service personnel... it is shameful whatever quarter it comes from...

Mac's link is slightly wrong. Here is the one for the You Tube link.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

and I make no apologies for posting it again but in case anyone missed the link from my other post.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/22723

I think people should watch/read both.

Hayley it makes you a Mum and proud of your son and country anyone would react the same, my hubby has just finished serving 22 years in army, grandson is going to see about joining RAF on Wed my nephew is still serving.

Helen.x

nudge for a good thread

thankyou Keith :)

just watching the youtube video link...what struck me though is the line underneath...

"Adding comments has been disabled for this video" which says it all for me........

its good to see a debate on here