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Thank you Erika H and everyone that has found so much information for me. Its going to take a while to look through all the replies.

Iam helping out John Clarkes grand daughter so this will be a great addition to her research.


Thank you all

Maureen

Raymond Palmer's wife's first husband

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Frampton Donald M Draper Meriden 6d 1247

He also re-married

Marriages Mar 1962 (>99%)
FRAMPTON Donald M WHITTAKER Meriden 9c 2284
WHITTAKER Rose Frampton Meriden 9c 2284

Deaths 1991 (67%)
FRAMPTON DONALD MARTIN 6AU1920 BIRMINGHAM 32 521

PALMER, MAUREEN MARGARET CLARKE
GRO Reference: 1929 M Quarter in STAFFORD Volume 06B Page 20

Marriages Sep 1949 (>99%)
Draper Daniel F Palmer Stafford 9b 1453
Palmer Maureen M Draper Stafford 9b 1453

Deaths Dec 1982 (>99%)
DRAPER MAUREEN MARGARET 12JA1929 STAFFORD 30 1142


Possibly the Closed record in 1939?
Births Sep 1933 (>99%)
PALMER Constance A Clarke Stafford 6b 19

Marriages Jun 1960 (>99%)
CHANCE Robert J CLARKE Stourbridge 9d 505
Clarke Noreen A E Chance Stourbridge 9d 505

Deaths 1984 (>99%)
CHANCE NOREEN ANN E 18JY1911 STAFFORD 30 1124


Marriages Dec 1963 (>99%)
CLARKE CONSTANCE E GWILLIAM STAFFORD 9B 1139
GWILLIAM ALFRED CLARKE STAFFORD 9B 1139

Gwilliam
Constance Eileen
1910
2001
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Stafford, Staffordshire, England


Marriages Sep 1926 (>99%)
Clarke Kathleen M Palmer Stafford 6b 64
Palmer James E Clarke Stafford 6b 64

1939 Register
8 Moorfields, Stafford, Stafford M.B., Staffordshire, England
James E Palmer 12 Mar 1902 Male Bus Driver Married 144 1
Kathleen M Palmer 26 Jun 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 144 2
Raymond E C Palmer 30 Oct 1926 Male At School Single 144 3
Maureen M Draper (Palmer) 12 Jan 1929 Female At School Single 144 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

Name Kathleen M Palmer
Death Age 58
Birth Date abt 1908
Registration Date 1966
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Stafford
Inferred County Staffordshire
Volume 9b
Page 378


Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
Abberley Millescent I Palmer Stafford 9b 1015
FRAMPTON Millicent I PALMER Stafford 9b 1015
Palmer Raymond E C Frampton Stafford 9b 1015
Palmer Raymond E C Abberley Stafford 9b 1015

One child.....see freebmd, as too recent to post on here

From a tree on Ancestry
Raymond Edward Charles Palmer
Connor Family Tree
Spouse Millicent Irene Abberley
Father James Edward Palmer
Mother Kathleen Millicent Clarke
Birth 30 Oct 1926 Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Death Nov 2006 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Residence Manchester, Lancashire, England


Therefore......................
His wife's first marriage

Marriages Jun 1943 (>99%)
Abberley Millicent I Frampton Meriden 6d 1475
Frampton Donald M Abberley Meriden 6d 1475


1939 Register
Redlands Farm Coventry Road, Whitacre Heath, Meriden R.D., Warwickshire, England
Henry C Abberley 21 Oct 1892 Male Farmer Married 204 1
Emily Abberley 13 Mar 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 204 2
Millicent I Palmer (Frampton, Abberley) 16 Dec 1923 Female Office Clerk Single 204 3
Eric Powell 22 Feb 1926 Male At School Single 204 4

PALMER, RAYMOND EDWARD CHARLES 1926
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2006 in MANCHESTER (0061C) Reg C95B Entry Number 283

Born 10th June 1880 (as per 1939 Register AND his baptism), Michael would not have reached the age of 21 by the time 1901 census (IOW) was taken (31st March)

@ HeyJudeB4Beatles - No we don't have a Service Number. I was hoping the Attestation record set would have been more productive, given the date span

@EH/ HJB4B- Thank you for looking

Using a different search

First name(s) Michael
Attestation corps Dragoons
Last name Clarke
Discharge corps Dragoons
Birth year 1880
Document type Attestation
Birth parish Mullingar
Series WO 97
Birth town Mullingar
Series description Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Birth county Westmeath
Archive reference WO 97/4535
Birth country Ireland
Box 4535
Service number 3864
Box record number 138
Regiment Dragoons
Country Ireland
Year 1898
Archive The National Archives
Attestation date 01 Mar 1898
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation age years 18
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation age months 1
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation service number 3864
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other

However, FMP links the above to the following

First name(s) Michael
Country Ireland
Last name Clarke
Volume 3
Birth year 1879
Page 126
Age 54
Record set Irish Deaths 1864 - 1958
Registration year 1933
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration quarter & year Jul - Sep 1933
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Registration district Mullingar
Collections from Ireland
County Westmeath

Accuracy of link depends on when in the year the man died

Looking at the images of the military record. the man was a Shoesmith on enlistment
Transferred to the Reserve April 1903, having served in S Africa from 10/99 to 10/02
N.O.K. Brothers - Patrick & Thomas Clarke, Dominick Street, Mullingar

Definitely NOT the man on IOW in 1901, but at least he's eliminated

A little additional info

John Clarke and Kate Cunningham married 18th June 1873.
Both of full age
He was a Saddler...his father Patrick (deceased) also a Saddler
Her father was Thomas Cunningham, a Labourer

1939 Register
52 Corporation Street, Stafford, Stafford M.B., Staffordshire, England
Michael C (H) Clarke 10 Jun 1880 Male County Court Bailiff Married 3 1
Margaret Clarke 06 Jul 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 3 2
Constance E Gwilliam (Clarke) 12 Mar 1910 Female Typist Single 3 3
Noreen A E Chance (Clarke,White) 08 Jul 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 3 4




Name Michael Charles Clarke
Death Age 74
Record Type Death
Birth Date abt 1880
Registration District Stoke-On-Trent
Death Date 1954
Death Place Staffordshire, England

Ancestry transcription of 1901 is inaccurate....there is NO second initial on the image.

NO Michael C

These are the results

Michael
Clarke
842424.....Attested 1934

Michael
Clarke
11001287 Attested 1940

Michael
Clarke
1123564 Attested 1940

Michael
Clarke
1157341 Attested 1942

Charles Edward Michael
Clarke
1116598 Attested 1940

Jink20

Not seeing anything for Michael C. Four x Michael.

Do we have a service number anywhere?

Jude

Please, could anyone with FMP look at "Royal Artillery Attestations 1883-1942"
for Michael C Clarke ? Thank you.

Michael Charles's marriage:

Charles Michael Clarke
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name Charles Michael Clarke
Registration Year 1907 [1907]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Stoke upon Trent
Inferred County Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 422
Records on Page (Name)
Charles Michael Clarke
Margaret Kelly

Possibly Michael Charles in 1901 ???

Michael C Clarke
in the 1901 England Census
Name Michael C Clarke
Age 21
Estimated Birth Year abt 1880 [abt 1880]
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Ireland
Civil parish Freshwater
Ecclesiastical parish Freshwater
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration District Isle of Wight
Sub-registration district Calbourne
ED, institution, or vessel 11
Neighbors
Piece 1033
Folio 27
Page number 45
Household schedule number 243
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Michael C Clarke 21 Head

Address: The Redoubt Fort.

He's one of many gunners with the Royal Garrison Artillery.


Perhaps he's in this photo - although none of the people mentioned in the article are listed with him in 1901:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Navy_and_Army_illustrated_1901-07-13.jpg
Captain Bray , in the article, was stationed at Sheerness at the time of the census.
If the photo was taken at Redoubt Fort, it must have been taken between 1st April and 25th June 1901.

Great work Jink & AG.
Let's hope Maureen returns!!

Possible baptism of Mary Anne ??? But a different church from the marriage. . . .


Baptism record for MARY ANNE CLARKE in 1842
Area - DUBLIN (RC), Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. ANDREW
Name: Mary Anne Clarke
Address:
Father: Patrick Clarke
Mother: Isabella


Therefore possible baptism of JJA's father John ???:


Baptism record for JOHN CLARKE in 1840
Area - DUBLIN (RC), Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. ANDREW
Name: John Clarke
Address:
Father: Patrick Clarke
Mother: Isabella

???

John Joseph Clarke
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name John Joseph Clarke
Gender Male
Marital Status Unmarried (Single)
Age 16
Birth Date abt 1885 [abt 1885]
Birth Place Co Westmeath
Residence Date 31 Mar 1901
House Number 52.7
Residence Place Amiens Street, North Dock, Dublin, Ireland
Relation to Head Nephew
Occupation Plumber's Apprentice
Religion Roman Catholic
Literacy Read and write
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Peter Joseph Smyth 56 Head of Family (Head)
Mary Anne Smyth 58 Wife - Dublin
Isabella Smyth 28 Daughter
Lucy Smyth 18 Daughter
James L Smyth 20 Son
John Joseph Clarke 16 Nephew



Uncle & Aunt's marriage:

James Smyth
in the Ireland, Select Marriages, 1619-1898
Name James Smyth
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 26
Birth Date 1839
Marriage Date 01 Nov 1865
Marriage Place St Michaels John, Dub, Ireland
Father Peter Smyth
Spouse Mary Anne Clarke [ 23]
FHL Film Number 101484
Reference ID 727

One of the witnesses: John Clarke.

Mary Anne's father: Patrick E Clarke, saddler.
Her address: 12 Great Longford Street

Another brother:


William Edmond Clarke
Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1740-1900
Baptism May 1888 [ 20 May 1888 ]
Mullingar, County Westmeath, Ireland

Parents John Clarke [saddler] , Kate Cunningham




Birth record for William Clarke
/ Mullingar
Name: William Clarke [ William EDWARD Clarke ]
Year of Birth: 1888 [ 20 May 1888 ]
Group Registration ID: 11250843
SR District/Reg Area: Mullingar

???


Birth record for John Clarke
/ Mullingar
Name: John Clarke
Year of Birth: 1885
Group Registration ID: 10687403
SR District/Reg Area: Mullingar

John Joseph Clarke
15/5/1885
Parents John Clarke, saddler, and Kate, formerly Cunningham.