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Hi Everyone,
I'm working on a tree for someone, who has a 'Walford' family link. Can anyone help me. I have a 'Bessie O.U. Walford', aged 2 on the 1921 census, with a little sister, 'Olive Walford', aged 1. I cannot find a birth record for Olive and don't know where she's come from or what happens to her.
The other siblings are born in Monmouth, Monmouthshire. I would appreicate any help. :-)

It would be very unlikely that anyone with a link would spot your post.

Have you tried looking at Search/ search all members trees?

Have you discounted the Olive Walford birth in 1919 in Hull. mmn Morgan

Easier to understand if we see the transcript

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Coalway Lane End, Nr Coleford, West Dean, Monmouthshire & Gloucestershire, Wales
Albert Walford Head Male 1894 27 Worcester, Worcestershire, England Collier Cannop Colliery Co, Coleford
Urnia Walford Wife Female 1891 30 Worcester, Worcestershire, England - -
Bessie Walford Daughter Female 1919 2 - - -
Olive Walford Daughter Female 1920 1


Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)
Layton Ursula Walford Worcester 6c 234
Walford Albert Layton Worcester 6c 234

Where have you looked???

Have you asked about this family before........FMP alerts me to having previously accessed the 1939 register for Ursula

1939 Register
36 Cromwell Road, Great Malvern, Malvern U.D., Worcestershire, England

William L Pickard 11 Feb 1886 Male Auctioners Clerk- Unemployed Divorced 149 1
Ursula Walford 17 Feb 1890 Female Housekeeper Unpaid Married 149 2

Layton was not Ursula's maiden name

1911 Census For England & Wales
52 Walford St Redditch, Redditch, Worcestershire, England

James Layton Head Married Male 26 1885 Crochet polisher Worcs Redditch
Ursula Layton Wife Married Female 22 1889 - Worcs Naunton

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Layton James Alcester 6d 1385
Smith Ursula Alcester 6d 1385

Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Walford Bessie O _ Smith Monmouth 11a 42

It doesn't help that the father didn't seem to know the exact ages of the children - he hasn't added any 'month' info!!

WALFORD, OLIVE 1
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 302

Added…….

To eliminate suggested birth

Suggestion ONLY - you will have to get copy certs.....................

WALFORD, DORIS MABEL SMITH
GRO Reference: 1920 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 56

Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%)
Bennett David R Walford Worcester 9d 760
Walford Doris M Bennett Worcester 9d 760


First name(s) Doris Mabel
Register number A62E
Last name Bennett
Entry number 219
Sex Female
Date of registration mm/yy 0203
Birth day 20
County Worcestershire
Birth month 8
Country England
Birth year 1920
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 1
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 2003
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Worcester
Collections from Great Britain, England
District number 5271A

Bessie's full name, just for the record:

WALFORD, BESSIE OLIVE URSULA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1919 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 42


As Albert didn't seem to know his daughters' exact ages, nor their birthplaces, nor how to spell Ursula [ " Ursua" on image ], perhaps he wasn't clear about his daughters' names either??
Called Doris by Bessie's middle name? Or maybe she was indeed known as Ursula at home - people do strange things with names.

1939 Register
88 Glenthorne Avenue, Worcester, Worcester C.B., Worcestershire, England
Edward Wallcroft 16 Jan 1915 Male General Labourer G W R Heavy Worker Single 128 1
Doris M Bennett (Walford) 20 Aug 1920 Female Press Hand Seamless Tube Single 128 2
Joyce E B Bluck (Adams,Walford) 07 Dec 1920 Female Dressmaker Single 128 3

WALFORD, JOYCE ELIZABETH BELINDA SMITH
GRO Reference: 1922 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 43


Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Adams Cyril A Walford Worcester 6c 531
Walford Joyce E B Adams Worcester 6c 531

Marriages Mar 1978 (>99%)
ADAMS JOYCE E B BLUCK WORCESTER 29 671
Bluck Frederick J Adams Worcester 29 671

Smith wasn't Ursula's maiden name, either.

[ EDIT: Ah - but see ErikaH's post below at 13:19 ]

Ursula Layton
in the Worcestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1947
Name Ursula Layton [Ursula Tustin]
Gender Female
Marriage Age 27
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1891
Marriage Date 5 Mar 1918
Marriage Place Worcester St Mary (The Tything), Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears The Tything
Father
William Edwin Tustin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse
Albert Walford


Wraula Tustin
in the 1901 England Census
Name Wraula Tustin [Ursula Tustin]
Age 11
Estimated Birth Year abt 1890
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father William E Tustin
Mother Elizabeth Tustin
Birth Place Ripple, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Tewkesbury
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Ecclesiastical parish Tewkesbury
Town Tewkesbury
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration District Tewkesbury
Sub-registration district Tewkesbury
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Neighbors
Piece 2467
Folio 10
Page number 12
Household schedule number 72
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William E Tustin 36 Head
Elizabeth Tustin 36 Wife
William E Tustin 15 Son
Frederick G Tustin 14 Son
Wraula Tustin 11 Daughter
Joseph H Tustin 9 Son
Reginald I Tustin 7 Son
Dennis A Tustin 4 Son
Olive Tustin 2 Daughter
Deward Woodley 22 Servant

The 1920 death in Hull, posted by ErikaH, was the death of this child:

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Walford Olive Morgan Hull 9d 570

SMITH, URSULA -
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 334


Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Smith Elizabeth Gloucester 6a 596
Tustin William Edwin Gloucester 6a 596


Name Ursula Smith
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 30 Mar 1890
Baptism Place Ripple (Ripple, Earl's Croome with Hill Croome and Strensham), Worcestershire, England
Mother Eliza Smith

I know Ripple well - my late husband's maternal grandfather was born there

William's first marriage..........FMP version

First name(s) William Edwin
Country England
Last name Tustin
Volume 6C
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 6C
Marriage year 1884
Page number 461
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Marriage
Finder™
William Edwin Tustin married one of these people
Elizabeth Taylor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Upton on Severn
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Worcestershire

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Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Brush Thomas Upton 6c 461
SMITH Sarah Ann Upton 6c 461
Taylor Elizabeth Upton 6c 461
Tustin William Edwin Upton 6c 461

BUT.........................FMP also has

First name(s) Thomas
Country England
Last name Brush
Volume 6C
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 6C
Marriage year 1884
Page number 461
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Marriage
Finder™
Thomas Brush married one of these people
Elizabeth Taylor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Upton on Severn
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Worcestershire

Therefore, I suggest that William married Sarah Ann Smith..........in view of the following
Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Tustin Sarah Ann 25 Upton 6c 248

AND

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ripple, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Thomas Brush Head Married Male 46 1845 Bricklayer Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Brush Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Thomas William Brush Son Single Male 5 1886 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
John Brush Son Single Male 3 1888 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England

BRUSH, THOMAS WILLIAM TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 311
BRUSH, JOHN TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 315

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ripple, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England

George Smith Head - Male 42 1829 Coth breaker & singr Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Eliza Smith Wife - Female 40 1831 - Hill Croome, Worcestershire, England
Alfred Smith Son - Male 13 1858 Ag lab Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Harriet Smith Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Fanny Smith Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Sarah A Smith Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
George Smith Son - Male 6 1865 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Samuel Smith Son - Male 0 1871 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Fanny Aston Visitor - Female 27 1844 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England


The 'visitor' is almost certainly a cousin of my late husband's grandfather

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Moor End, Eldersfield, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England

William E Justin Head Married Male 26 1865 Butcher & farmer Defford, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Justin Wife - Female 23 1868 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
William E Justin Son Single Male 5 1886 - Hill Croome, Worcestershire, England
Frederick G Justin Son Single Male 3 1888 - Eldersfield, Worcestershire, England
Ursula Smith Stepdaughter - Female 1 1890 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England

Corrections submitted to FMP


TUSTIN, FREDERICK GEORGE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 298

Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
TUSTIN William Edwin Upton 6c 310

Cannot - so far - find this record on GRO.........have tried many surname variants without success

Name Ursula Walford
Topic Crime
Residence Date 31 Jan 1925
Residence Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Publication Date 31 Jan 1925
Publication Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Newspaper Title The Gloucester Journal

Found guilty of stealing an umbrella, worth 6 shillings

SUSTIN, WILLIAM EDWIN SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 310

Lucky guess...S and T are always getting mistranscribed in my family :-D :-D

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