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Another waste of time!!

Not enough info to be certain whether this is Ursula's son

Corporal
GEORGE JAMES LAYTON
Service Number: 5249416
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Lancashire Fusiliers
2nd Bn.
Date of Death
Died 17 May 1944
Buried or commemorated at
CASSINO WAR CEMETERY

Name George James Layton
Gender Male
Marriage Age 26
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1911
[abt 1911]
Marriage Date 29 Sep 1937
Marriage Place Worcester, St Peter (Worcester St Martin with St Peter), Worcestershire, England
Father James Layton
Spouse Phyllis Kathleen Wilson......age 20
Father George Frederick William Wilson


1939 Register
Llanberic Timberdene Bath Road,Norton, Norton, Pershore R.D., Worcestershire, England

George L W Wilson 30 Oct 1875 Male Smallholder Married 63 1
Elsie M Wilson 08 Feb 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 63 2
Glynn W Wilson 06 Jul 1921 Male Motor Lorry Driver (Heavy Worker) Married 63 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
Phyllis K Lawrence (Layton) 12 Apr 1917 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 63 5


Name Phyllis K Layton
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep 1947
Registration District Worcester
Inferred County Worcestershire
Spouse Ernest W Lawrence
Volume Number 9d
Page number 835

Name George James Layton
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 23 Jun 1911
Baptism Date 1 Oct 1913
Baptism Place Redditch St Stephen, Worcestershire, England
Father James Layton
Mother Ursula Layton

Name George J Layton
Registration Date 1911
Quarter of the Year Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England
Mother Smith
Volume 6c
Page 650

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Round House Farm, Baughton Hill, Worcester, Earls Croome, Worcestershire, England

William Edwin Justin Head Male 1865 56 Defford, Worcestershire, England Farmer -
Elizabeth Justin Wife Female 1866 55 Ripple, Worcestershire, England - -
Horace Justin Son Male 1902 19 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England General Workman W E Austin Round House
William Justin Father Male 1839 81 Defford, Worcestershire, England - Old Age Pensioner
Mary J Justin Mother Female 1840 81 Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England - Old Age Pensioner
James Layton Grandson Male 1911 10 Redditch, Worcestershire, England - -

Justin s/be Tustin. Corrections submitted to FMP

Ursula Smith is in a GR member's tree - as is her first husband

Her stepfather, William Tustin, is in 3 GR trees

Thanks, there were so many posts going off on tangents that I lost track of the original request.

I think we're assuming, tentatively, that "Olive" in the census was actually Doris Mabel.

Did I miss someone finding out about Olive?
There seems to be so much to go through

Full Name Layton, James
Service Number 22832
Gender Male
Rank Pte
Regiment 2nd Bn Worcestershire

Relative 1 Layton, Ursula
Relative Residence Address 2 Bridge Street, Redditch, Worcesteshire
Relative 1 Relation To Head Wife
Relative 1 Birth Date 17 Feb 1890

Relative 2 Layton, George James
Relative 2 Relation to Head
Child Relative 2 Birth Date 23 Jun 1911

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UK, WWI, Daily Reports: Missing, Dead, Wounded and POWs, 1914-1918
Full Name Layton, J
Resided Place Redditch
Incident Date 3 Oct 1916
Information
Listed as "Missing" on the Casualty List issued by the Home Office on the 3rd October 1916.
Service Number 22832
Service British Army
Primary Unit Worcestershire Regiment


Full Name LAYTON, JAMES
Birth Place FECKENHAM, WORCESTERSHIRE.
Nationality British
Resided Place WORCESTER.
Date Of Death 20 Aug 1916
Fate Killed in Action
Rank Name Private
Service Number 22832
Duty Location France And Flanders
Died in Active Service Yes
Service British Army
Regiment Worcestershire Regiment
Battalion 2nd Battalion


Interesting......

WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Albert Walford L/Cpl 15945
Pension has been issued by I.(?) O.W for George James Layton, step child of above named man, under ref number WC. C 1131 in respect of Layton, James Worcester Pte 22832

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Albert attested and joined the Worcestershire Regt on the 7/9/1914 aged 19years 334
days old. Disembarked 21/9/1915.
Wounded and transferred to the Labour Corps 546417. Within his Labour Corps papers is an address for his NOK wife 45 ABERTON ? Rd , Worcester.
Contracted malaria and was only permitted to fight in France or Italy. (1918)
Discharged 10/03/1919 awarded Silver War Badge

:-D :-D :-D

SUSTIN, WILLIAM EDWIN SMITH
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 310

Lucky guess...S and T are always getting mistranscribed in my family :-D :-D

Name Ursula Walford
Topic Crime
Residence Date 31 Jan 1925
Residence Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Publication Date 31 Jan 1925
Publication Place Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Newspaper Title The Gloucester Journal

Found guilty of stealing an umbrella, worth 6 shillings

Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
TUSTIN William Edwin Upton 6c 310

Cannot - so far - find this record on GRO.........have tried many surname variants without success

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Moor End, Eldersfield, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England

William E Justin Head Married Male 26 1865 Butcher & farmer Defford, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Justin Wife - Female 23 1868 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
William E Justin Son Single Male 5 1886 - Hill Croome, Worcestershire, England
Frederick G Justin Son Single Male 3 1888 - Eldersfield, Worcestershire, England
Ursula Smith Stepdaughter - Female 1 1890 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England

Corrections submitted to FMP


TUSTIN, FREDERICK GEORGE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 298

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ripple, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England

George Smith Head - Male 42 1829 Coth breaker & singr Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Eliza Smith Wife - Female 40 1831 - Hill Croome, Worcestershire, England
Alfred Smith Son - Male 13 1858 Ag lab Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Harriet Smith Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Fanny Smith Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Sarah A Smith Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
George Smith Son - Male 6 1865 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Samuel Smith Son - Male 0 1871 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Fanny Aston Visitor - Female 27 1844 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England


The 'visitor' is almost certainly a cousin of my late husband's grandfather

William's first marriage..........FMP version

First name(s) William Edwin
Country England
Last name Tustin
Volume 6C
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 6C
Marriage year 1884
Page number 461
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Marriage
Finder™
William Edwin Tustin married one of these people
Elizabeth Taylor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Upton on Severn
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Worcestershire

Freebmd

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Brush Thomas Upton 6c 461
SMITH Sarah Ann Upton 6c 461
Taylor Elizabeth Upton 6c 461
Tustin William Edwin Upton 6c 461

BUT.........................FMP also has

First name(s) Thomas
Country England
Last name Brush
Volume 6C
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 6C
Marriage year 1884
Page number 461
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Marriage
Finder™
Thomas Brush married one of these people
Elizabeth Taylor
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Upton on Severn
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Worcestershire

Therefore, I suggest that William married Sarah Ann Smith..........in view of the following
Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Tustin Sarah Ann 25 Upton 6c 248

AND

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Ripple, Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Thomas Brush Head Married Male 46 1845 Bricklayer Ripple, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Brush Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Upton on Severn, Worcestershire, England
Thomas William Brush Son Single Male 5 1886 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England
John Brush Son Single Male 3 1888 - Ripple, Worcestershire, England

BRUSH, THOMAS WILLIAM TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 311
BRUSH, JOHN TAYLOR
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 315

SMITH, URSULA -
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in UPTON ON SEVERN Volume 06C Page 334


Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
Smith Elizabeth Gloucester 6a 596
Tustin William Edwin Gloucester 6a 596


Name Ursula Smith
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 30 Mar 1890
Baptism Place Ripple (Ripple, Earl's Croome with Hill Croome and Strensham), Worcestershire, England
Mother Eliza Smith

I know Ripple well - my late husband's maternal grandfather was born there

The 1920 death in Hull, posted by ErikaH, was the death of this child:

Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Walford Olive Morgan Hull 9d 570

Smith wasn't Ursula's maiden name, either.

[ EDIT: Ah - but see ErikaH's post below at 13:19 ]

Ursula Layton
in the Worcestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1947
Name Ursula Layton [Ursula Tustin]
Gender Female
Marriage Age 27
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1891
Marriage Date 5 Mar 1918
Marriage Place Worcester St Mary (The Tything), Worcestershire, England
Parish as it Appears The Tything
Father
William Edwin Tustin <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse
Albert Walford


Wraula Tustin
in the 1901 England Census
Name Wraula Tustin [Ursula Tustin]
Age 11
Estimated Birth Year abt 1890
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Father William E Tustin
Mother Elizabeth Tustin
Birth Place Ripple, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Tewkesbury
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Ecclesiastical parish Tewkesbury
Town Tewkesbury
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration District Tewkesbury
Sub-registration district Tewkesbury
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Neighbors
Piece 2467
Folio 10
Page number 12
Household schedule number 72
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William E Tustin 36 Head
Elizabeth Tustin 36 Wife
William E Tustin 15 Son
Frederick G Tustin 14 Son
Wraula Tustin 11 Daughter
Joseph H Tustin 9 Son
Reginald I Tustin 7 Son
Dennis A Tustin 4 Son
Olive Tustin 2 Daughter
Deward Woodley 22 Servant

1939 Register
88 Glenthorne Avenue, Worcester, Worcester C.B., Worcestershire, England
Edward Wallcroft 16 Jan 1915 Male General Labourer G W R Heavy Worker Single 128 1
Doris M Bennett (Walford) 20 Aug 1920 Female Press Hand Seamless Tube Single 128 2
Joyce E B Bluck (Adams,Walford) 07 Dec 1920 Female Dressmaker Single 128 3

WALFORD, JOYCE ELIZABETH BELINDA SMITH
GRO Reference: 1922 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 43


Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Adams Cyril A Walford Worcester 6c 531
Walford Joyce E B Adams Worcester 6c 531

Marriages Mar 1978 (>99%)
ADAMS JOYCE E B BLUCK WORCESTER 29 671
Bluck Frederick J Adams Worcester 29 671