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Amongst others, I'm following the Hawkins line for a friend - and lose the plot when James Hawkins marries Ellen Cawte

James Hawkins 24 Labourer married Ellen Maria A Cawte 23 in Finchley, 1890. Ellen shown as daughter of James a Blacksmith

Ellen Maria Annie Cawte was baptised 1.6.1868 at St Pancras Old Church, d/o James a Farrier and Sarah.
GRO shows Ellen's mmn as BELL

Going backwards to James Cawte and Sarah Bell

MARRIAGE - James Cawte to Sarah Bell Q3 1862 Winchester RD.
2.8.1862 at The Congregational Church, Jewry Street, Winchester
James - 23, Bachelor, a Smith of Winchester, s/o Stephen Cawte a Smith. He signed
Sarah - 25, spinster, a Servant of Winchester, d/o John Bell a Tanner. She made her mark.
Witnesses - Thomas Shepherd (mark) and Diana Bell - (signed) (Sister)

1871 - where is James? Possible Militia deserter report Hampshire newspaper Sept. 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census - Sarah with her parents
Pound Hill, New Alresford, Alresford, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Bell Head - Male 70 1801 Formerly tanner New Alresford, Hants
Jemima Bell Wife - Female 66 1805 - New Alresford, Hants
John Bill Son - Male 20 1851 Bricklayers lab New Alresford, Hants
Sarah Cawte Daughter - Female 33 1838 - New Alresford, Hants
Esther Cawte Granddaughter - Female 6 1865 - Cheriton, Hants
Ellen Cawte Granddaughter - Female 2 1869 - London, Middx

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census (FMP transcribes as Cawle - original looks like Cawle)
Ivy Cottage, Chertsey, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Cawle Wife head Married Female 45 1836 Blacksmiths wife Alresford, Hampshire
Esther Cawle Daughter Single Female 16 1865 No business Alresford, Hampshire
Ellen Cawle Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar St Pancras, London
Roger Cawle Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Itchen Stoke
Alfred Cawle Son Single Male 6 1875 - -

Where is James 1871/81 - was he in the Army? There is a J Cawte 2nd Hampshire Regiment in the Campaign medals index 1854-95

1881 - ?? James is a Patient at London University Hospital, Gower Street, St Pancras, London and Middlesex age 42 a Blacksmith b Alresford, Hants


Writing on original 1891 not good. James place of birth could say Farnham, but that's Surrey, although close to Hants border so ? a small village near Farnham

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, Trinity Road, Finchley, Barnet, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Cawte Head Married Male 52 1839 Blacksmith ?? —-, Hampshire
Sarah Cawte Wife Married Female 54 1837 Laundress Alresford, Hampshire
Roger Cawte Son Single Male 18 1873 General labourer Alresford, Hampshire
Alfred Cawte Son - Male 15 1876 Farm labourer Itchen Stoke, Hampshire
Dennis Russell Grandson - Male 6 1885 Scholar Addlestone, Surrey,


DEATH - 1894 - James Cawte aged 54 Q1 Barnet RD
Buried 24.3.1894 aged 54 at Holy Trinity, East Finchley. Of Trinity Road, East Finchley

DEATH - ? when / where - Sarah Cawte

Can anyone follow James Cawte with Father Steven back from his marriage to Sarah ??

Ancestry trees appear to have assigned a James Cawte born 1833 to be son of Charles and Ann (nee Pain) all of Hursley, Hants, but his marriage certificate says something else.

Thanks for your help

Father's name could have been invented when James married, to save face.

Clutching at straws, maybe?

First name(s) James
Parish Fareham
Last name Cawte
County Hampshire
Relationship -
Division of county South
Marital status -
Country England
Sex Male
Ecclesiastical parish or district St Peters
Age 11
Registration district Fareham
Birth year 1840
Sub district Fareham
Birth town Wymering
Enumeration district 1K
Birth town as transcribed Wymering
Archive reference HO107
Birth county Hampshire
Piece number 1661
Birth county as transcribed Hampshire
Folio 161
Birth place England
Page 5
Occupation Scholar
Schedule 5
Institution name Fareham Union Workhouse

Sorry about the jumbled info.............FMP transcription

Also in the Workhouse with surname Cawte, born Wymering
Hannah, 6, Harriet,5, Charles, 9,.........and Stephen, 21, Farm Labourer, b. Middlesex

Possibly more hindrance than help ;-) ;-)

Sarah Cawte
in the Global, Find a Grave® Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
Name Sarah Cawte
Maiden Name Bell
Gender Female
Birth Date 1837
Birth Place New Alresford, City of Winchester, Hampshire, England
Spouse
James Cawte
Children
Alfred Joseph Cawte
Ellen Maria Annie Hawkins
Roger Charles Cawte

No death or burial place or date given.

**** ADDED: Actually, that "record" above is just a link from the death record of her son Alfred - so ignore!


Also, she's NOT the woman of same name and age who died in March 1910, Greenwich.
That one was married to Frederick Cawte, and was in and out of Greenwich workhouse.

Looking at 1891 image, James's birthplace is Fareham. All the 'places' have a line through them at an angle, for some unknown reason

James Cants
[James Cawte]
[James Cawte]
[Cawte]
Age 4
Estimated Birth Year abt 1847
[abt 1847]
Relation Son
Father's Name Stephen Cants
Mother's Name Chartte Cants
Gender Male
Where born Twyford, Hampshire, England nr Arlesford,
Civil parish Twyford
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration District Winchester
Sub-registration district Twyford
ED, institution,

?



Stephen Cants
25
Head
Chartte Cants
26
Wife
James Cants 4 Son
Emily Cants
4 Day
Daughter
Ellen Edmunds
13
Visitor
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Sarah is in 74 trees on Ancestry!

Some say she died in 1891 - with no proof.
A woman named Sarah Steel Cawte did die in 1891, aged 66, in Romsey - but that's not her. Sarah Steel Cawte is on the 1891 census, in Romsey.

Others say the 1910 death mentioned above is hers. I doubt it, but you might feel it worth buying a copy of the cert to check.

CAWTE, SARAH 74
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 584

I think that's this woman:

Sarah Cawte
in the 1901 England Census
Name Sarah Cawte
Age 64
Estimated Birth Year abt 1837 [abt 1837]
Relation to Head Head
Gender Female
Birth Place Reading, Berkshire, England <<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish Greenwich
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Ecclesiastical parish St Peter
County/Island London
Country England
Registration District Greenwich
Sub-registration district Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel 01
Neighbors
Piece 536
Folio 11
Page number 14
Household schedule number 70
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Sarah Cawte 64 Head , charwoman [It says she's single, but should be widowed.]

Widow of Frederick Cawte/Court. Maiden surname Bollen/Ballen.

Name James Cawte
Gender Male
Baptism Date 1 Nov 1846
Baptism Place Twyford, Hampshire, England
Residence Place Twyford
Parish as it Appears Twyford
Father
Stephen Cawte
Mother
Charlotte Cawte
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That Stephen was an Ag Lab

James who married Sarah Bell was apparently a number of years older than the one born in 1846, unfortunately

Thanks for your replies - I think we're all going round in the same circles !!

Clutching at straws ErikaH is probably the nearest as Wymering is covered by the Fareham RD.

Posted by ErikaH - 1851 - James Cawte aged 11
Also in the Workhouse with surname Cawte, born Wymering
Hannah, 6, Harriet,5, Charles, 9,.........and Stephen, 21, Farm Labourer, b. Middlesex

In 1841 - Stephen 13 (or a bad 18), Hester 11, George 9, Charles 2, Hannah 7 and Harriett 4 are all in Fareham Workhouse. Must be the same 'family' but ages way out. All b Hampshire

A Hannah Cawte (? the one aged 6 1851 workhouse from the census posted) is still there in 1861 listed as a cripple and long term resident having been there for 20 years 0 months.

If Stephen was born in Middlesex, maybe that's why James and family ended up there by 1881 (more straws).

Close but not close enough to be a certainty, that line may just have to stop at James.

An 1850 newspaper report has a Stephen Cawte committed to the Hants County Prison for 14 days in 1850 for Misbehaviour in the Union Poorhouse!

I doubt he's the same Stephen who was occupying a Lot for sale in FarNham in 1853

A Charles Cawte (aged 2 in 1841 and 9 in 1851 Fareham workhouse) was baptised 7.4.1842 by Eliza Cawte from Fareham Union Wymering

Esther (Hester) Cawte married 1850 St Pancras Old Church to James Ward. Father listed as Stephen Cawte - Dead

Possibly James before his marriage. He was a smith/farrier. In 1859 he was AWL. Deserted 1860, rejoined 1861. Discharged 1862 for medical reasons (hernia)

First name(s) James
Discharge corps 4th Battn 60th Reg Of Rifles
Last name Cawte
Discharge service number 81
Birth year 1840
Document type Discharge
Birth parish Portsmouth
Series WO 97
Birth town Portsmouth
Series description Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Birth county Hampshire
Archive reference WO 97/1570
Birth country England
Box 1570
Service number 81
Box record number 23
Private
Country England
Regiment King's Royal Rifle Corps - 60th Rifles
Archive The National Archives
Year 1857
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation date 14 Oct 1857
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation age years 17
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Attestation age months 6
Collections from Great Britain, England



British Army Discharges, 60th Foot 1854-1880
First name(s) James
Casualty returns pension Medically unfit
Last name Cawte
Archive The National Archives
Discharge year 1862
Archive reference WO97/1570
Date 30th April 1862
Record set British Army Discharges, 60th Foot 1854-1880
Service number 81
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Rank Private
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Regiment 60th Royal Rifle Corps - Post 1881 King's Royal Rifle Corps
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Battalion 4th Battalion

Thanks Alviegal. Could fit with -

a newspaper report I had found of a James Cawte who joined the Hampshire Militia in 1863. He was charged with desertion in 1866. 56 days imprisonment and a 40s fine

Found this chap...

Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939

James Cawte
Born Gosport, Hampshire
DOB 18 April 1842
Trade Blacksmith
Date of Continuous Service 25 Aug 1870 10 years
End of Service 25 Aug 1880

There is a service record for James Hawkins, if you're interested. Has exact date of marriage and 4 children listed with DOB's plus a home address

That would be great Jink20 if it's "my' James - born 1866 Hayes, Middx, married Ellen 24.8.1890
or
His Father James bap 1838 Northmoor, Oxon married Emma Drinkwater 18.8.1859 Hartington, Middx

The Gosport chap was probably the one registered in Alverstoke 1842 mmn McIver as per GRO. There is a marriage of a Charles Cawte to Jane McKeever Q2 1939 Portsea island - on the other side of Portsmouth Harbour to Alverstoke/Gosport

Re the 1851 census for James Cawte , born Wymering, which ErikaH posted at 15:37 today - which included Stephen, age 21:


PROVINCIAL NEWS.. —

Committed to the Bridewell during the week. Mary Tutt, for misbehaviour in the Romsey Poor House, six weeks; Michael Butler, as a rogue and vagabond, one month; Barnard Moody, for vagrancy ;
>>> Stephen Cawte, for misbehaviour in the Fareham Poor House <<<<;
each three weeks. . . . . . .

Published: Saturday 05 September 1846
Newspaper: Hampshire Advertiser
County: Hampshire, England



Ancestry has transcribed the family's surname as Cawse in 1851. On the image, the name looks like Cawle, but could be Cawte.

ADDED:


Portsmouth, SATURDAY, JANUARY 15, 1848

... . . . Stephen Cawte, late an inmate of the Fareham Union Work-house, was convicted under the vagrant act, of refusing to maintain himself when offered employment, sentenced to three months imprisonment with hard labour . .
Published: Saturday 15 January 1848
Newspaper: Hampshire Telegraph
County: Hampshire, England

Cawte was a common name in the area, so this is not necessarily the same man - but . . . .

THE HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PAPER.—SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 1850
... Misbehaviour in Union Poor-house: Wm. Wilder, Charles Osman, and Wm. White. 21 days; Stephen Cawte, John Westbrook, and William Tarrant. 11 days;
Published: Saturday 09 November 1850
Newspaper: Hampshire Chronicle
County: Hampshire, England



PORTSMOUTH POLICE
... . . . George Cawle and Stephen Cawte, charged with felony, were also remanded till Monday. . . . . ...
Published: Saturday 03 September 1853
Newspaper: Hampshire Telegraph
County: Hampshire, England


. . . . . George and Stephen Cawte were remanded for days on a charge of breaking into an outhouse Buckland, and stealing a coat and other articles. ...
Published: Saturday 10 September 1853
Newspaper: Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette
County: Hampshire, England

Thanks AG for the late night research - it looks like Stephen was not the best behaved!

I think this is probably as far as we can go, thanks to those who replied. If anyone does find anything else, I'll be keeping an eye on the thread.

Name Stephen Cawte
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place Southam, Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Sep 1860
Inferred Death Place Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Volume 6d
Page 14

image Vol is 2c Page 14which then was for Southampton /Hampshire ,,,not Warwichshire.no age given.


Name Stephen Cawte
Age 75
Estimated Birth Year abt 1792
[abt 1792]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Winchester, Hampshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1867
Inferred Death Place Hampshire, United Kingdom
Volume 2c
Page 61.


0nly 2 registered deaths of
Stephen Cawte,,1837 to 1915.

The man who died in 1860 was 35 - at least as far as the informant believed:

CAWTE, STEPHEN 35
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 14