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Have asked Sandra to let helpers know if the info is for the right man. She obviously doesn’t think it necessary :-| :-|

Hi sorry everyone I forgot it half term for my granddaughter so I not had a chance to read everything. I will do that at the weekend when my family gone home . Thank you everyone xx

West Mersea is Essex

That’s the death record I accessed and posted earlier. Didn’t have time to study it as carefully as I would have liked.
Thanks for the additional info and it certainly looks as thought the November date is simply that of his interment
The half-sister who had his effects almost certainly had a child with her first husband…….one who could be living.

Perhaps Sandra will come back at some stage and follow-through on the info found for her…..and let us know if we’ve identified the right man!!

The death record says,
"Disposition of the remains: To be shipped to West Mersea, England, by train."


Thomas Elliott Allan
in the U.S., Reports of Deaths of American Citizens Abroad, 1835-1974
Name Thomas Elliott Allan
Age 48
Birth Date abt 1917
Death Date 21 Oct 1965
Death Place Turkey

Perhaps his ashes are interred in Lincolnshire.

Thomas Elliott Allan
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name Thomas Elliott Allan
Birth Date 1917
Death Date 17 Nov 1965
Cemetery Boston Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Boston, Boston Borough, Lincolnshire, England

A note added to the Findagrave record:

"Gravesite Details
Age: 48, Consecrated: Yes, Death date listed may be the interment date"

ADDED:
He is not recorded in the Boston Cemetery/Crematorium online Book of Remembrance - which of course is voluntary for his family.

The only possibility is that his body was repatriated to UK and it’s a burial record, although as he was an American citizen it would seem unlikely.
The death record refers only to the disposal of his effects as far as I recall. No access to Ancestry on the device i’m currently using.

PM sent to Sandra asking her to return…..opened. NO reaction as yet

There is NO death of ANY Thomas Allan in 1965 in Boston, Lincs - per FreeBMD .

Goodness knows where the tree "owner" got that from, and clearly didn't check.

A tree on Ancestry has the following


Thomas Elliot Allan, slate worker (not correct, he was a seaman)
Birth 26 APR 1917 • Sculcoates, Hull, Yorkshire East Riding

Death 17 NOVEMBER 1965 • Boston, Lincolnshire, England*************

But this************* isn't accurate, if the Probate record is for the right man

Name Thomas Elliot Allan
Death Date 21 Oct 1965
Death Place Turkey
Probate Date 6 Jul 1967
Probate Registry Ipswich
Probate to Lucy Leavitt. married woman.........his sister according to death report

Home address 2473 Elm Place, Bronx New Yprk
Died at Port of Derince, Izmit, Turkey

Naturalization

Name Thomas Elliot Allan
Birth Date 26 Apr 1917
Age 45
Naturalization Date 11 Jun 1962
Residence Bronx, New York
Title and Location of Court New York Southern District

Name Thomas E. Allan
Age 38
Birth Date 26 Apr 1917
Employment Date 5 Oct 1955
Employment Place Brooklyn, New York City, New York, USA

Full report of his death

Name Thomas Elliott Allan
Age 48
Birth Date abt 1917
Death Date 21 Oct 1965
Death Place Turkey

Lucy Leavitt was his sister (half-sister, actually)
She was resident in West Mersea, Essex at the time of Thomas's death and his effects were sent to her
He was a seaman aboard SS Export Builder and died from brain concussion

1939 Register
69 Barnsley Buildings, Kingston Upon Hull, Kingston-Upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Thomas W Spencer 27 May 1890 Male Dock Labourer Married 197 1
Ruth Spencer 15 Jan 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 197 2
Lucy James (Spencer) 19 Nov 1922 Female Sack Mender Single 197 3
Harry Spencer 06 Jun 1924 Male Machine Lad In Sawmill Single 197 4
Evelyn Spencer 07 Sep 1927 Female At School Single 197 5
The record for this person is officially closed.

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
James Alfred E Spencer Hull 9d 793
Spencer Lucy James Hull 9d 793

Marriages Mar 1963 (>99%)
JAMES LUCY LEAVETT MALDON 4A 1627
LEAVETT DERRICK F JAMES MALDON 4A 1627

Leavett
Lucy
1922
2003
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Chelmsford, Essex, England

Leavett
Derrick Frost
2009
England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Suffolk, England

Have finally found CWGC record, which is inaccurate and far from complete

Private
T A ALLAN
Service Number: 202981
Regiment & Unit/Ship
East Yorkshire Regiment
1st/4th Bn.
Date of Death
Died 23 April 1917
Buried or commemorated at
WANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY
I. A. 3.
France

Name Thomas Elliot Allan
Gender Male
Death Age 27
Birth Date abt 1890
Residence Place
Death Date 23 Apr 1917
Obituary Date 7 Jun 1917
Obituary Place Hull, Humberside, England
Newspaper Title Daily Mail
Leaves a wife and two children to mourn his loss

The above newspaper report includes a photograph

Two GR members have RUTH KIRMAN in trees….try making contact

The son Thomas E, arrived in USA in 1954….he was Crew member on board “Port Montreal”

Thomas Allan’s wife’s maiden name was Kirman

Daughter Ruth’s DoB was 24th October 1914
She married George M Smith

1939 Register shows them in Hull with two closed records…….possibly offspring. Check freebmd for marriage and births

Ruth died in 1991

George died in 1974. His death notice in the local newspaper mentions 7 children, one of whom pre-deceased him

23 and 24 April 1917 ... ...Second Battle of the Scarpe

His widow remarried in 1921:

Ruth Allen
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name Ruth Allen
Registration Date Apr 1921 [May 1921] [Jun 1921]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Sculcoates
Inferred County Yorkshire East Riding
Spouse Thomas W Spencer
Volume Number 9d
Page number 332


Ruth Spencer
in the 1921 England Census
Name Ruth Spencer
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Age 30 Years 5 Months
Relation to Head Wife
Estimated Birth Year 1891
Birth Place Hull, Yorkshire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 4 Scott St, Hull
Residence Place Sculcoates, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Place of Work At Home
Inhabited Y
Ward East Central
Parliamentary Division Kingston Upon Hull Pb, Central Div.
Registration District Sculcoates
Registration District Number 521
Sub registration district East Sculcoates
Sub Registration District Number 7
Respondent F Spencer
Enumeration District Name Kingston Upon Hull Cb
Enumeration District 4
Schedule 219
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Wardle Spencer 31 Years 1 Month Head
Ruth Spencer 30 Years 5 Months Wife
Ruth Allan 6 Years 8 Months Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Thomas Elliot Allan 4 Years 2 Months Stepson (Step Son)

By 1921, the widow was married to Thomas Wardle Spencer

By 1939, there were five more children, but not relevant to this enquiry

Thanks Jink……I’ve got limited access to sites this evening

OP should have been able to confirm his death and other info by looking at the CWGC site

ADDED

I can't see his death on CWGC, which is very strange

There are several trees on Ancestry. A namesake of Thomas holds an account and is "active almost every day".

British Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929

Thomas Allan
1/4th East Yorkshire Regiment
Death Date 23 Apr 1917
Regiment Number 202981/6837
Rank Private
Widow Ruth- Sole legatee- which means you may be able to find his Will at the following site
https://www.gov.uk/probate-search

The first number is most likely his TA number before the Territorial renumbering which took place in 1917.

WWI, Pension Ledgers and Index Cards, 1914-1923

Full Name Allan, Thomas
Service Number (6837) 202981
Regiment 1/4 East Yorkshire T F

Relative 1
Allan, Ruth
Relative Residence Address Hull
Relative 1 Relation To Head Widow
Relative 1 Birth Date 15 Jan 1891

Relative 2
Allan, Ruth Sabina
Relative 2 Relation to Head Child
Relative 2 Birth Date 24 Oct 1914

Relative 3
Allan, Thomas Elliot
Relative 3 Relation to Head Children
Relative 3 Birth Date 26 Apr 1917

Address listed as 6 Somerset Avenue, Withernsea St, Hull

When did he serve?

Did he die whilst in the Army?

I was referring to sites like Ancestry, FindMyPast familysearch and freebmd……….even this one, which has censuses

You will need to provide more detail if anyone is to have a hope of helping you…..sorry.