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Sally Moonchild

Sally Moonchild Report 25 Feb 2007 18:21

....are....

BobClayton

BobClayton Report 25 Feb 2007 18:26

As I understand it words like 'couple' and 'family' are both plural and singular and the correct usage depends on the context.. Generally what sounds right is and there has to be consistency in the sentence. In 'The next couple are Jack and Jill ' the context is plural because you have split them with the 'and'. If the context is singular shouldn't you say 'The next couple is Jack, with Jill.' You surely wouldn't say 'The next couple is Jack and Jill and they IS going to dance the tango' Sounds like Ali G. Anyway thats my twopence worth Bob

Sally Moonchild

Sally Moonchild Report 25 Feb 2007 18:38

You've got me at it now.....I have been sweeping the kitchen floor debating with myself.....is.....are......is .....are.... I can see the reasoning behind is.....and cannot now be sure that I am correct in saying are.....but... If we are talking groups, they are collective......and' the group is 'sounds correct...so in this context, if you say 'the group is going to the zoo' and then add the collective to that sentence 'we'.....you would not say the group is going to the zoo and we is going to see the animals, in that way you would use are......so you see my confusion.....

Joy

Joy Report 25 Feb 2007 18:39

OC - our teacher of English told us that we could only use the word 'nice' when talking about food.

Sally Moonchild

Sally Moonchild Report 25 Feb 2007 18:43

I was going to say Gwynne that perhaps you were my teacher....she was a stickler for the correct use of the apostrophe,.....but I know we are of the same age.....

.•:*¨¨*:• ★Jax in Wales★.•:*¨¨*:•.

.•:*¨¨*:• ★Jax in Wales★.•:*¨¨*:•. Report 25 Feb 2007 18:45

See I told you I would be wrong lol I'll just go stand in the corner with a dunces cap on lol Jackiexx

Guinevere

Guinevere Report 25 Feb 2007 18:47

Memories of my years teaching O level English Language at night school are coming back to haunt me. When I taught infants not one child left my class unable to know when and when not to use an apostrophe. I am sometimes reminded of this by ex pupils at the pub quiz............... Gwynne

Essex Baz

Essex Baz Report 25 Feb 2007 18:47

As the 'couple' are a unit, and operate as a unit, they should be known as 'IT' so 'IS' is fine. 'it' is singular as is the 'unit' Baz xx

BobClayton

BobClayton Report 25 Feb 2007 19:17

If you are taking couple as singular then you would have to say. 'the next couple is Jack and JILL and IT (the couple singular) is going to dance the tango' or 'the next couple are Jack and JILL and they ARE (the couple plural ) going to dance the tango' Surely the latter sounds correct and consistant. Bob ( think I'll have a beer )

syljo

syljo Report 26 Feb 2007 20:14

Hi, Should definitely be 'IS' as it is a collective noun. Sylvia xxx

Caz Nr Heathrow

Caz Nr Heathrow Report 26 Feb 2007 20:21

the next couple is singular - 1 couple -therefore 'IS', is correct. Caz

syljo

syljo Report 26 Feb 2007 20:27

Hi, You should listen to the language on 'Ready, Steady Cook' when they refer to a drop of milk or wine as 'a bit of'. All liquid should surely be a drop of. Sylvia xxx

Dawnieher3headaches

Dawnieher3headaches Report 26 Feb 2007 20:39

oh dear what did I start lol

newsboy

newsboy Report 26 Feb 2007 20:45

The plural of couple is couples, so one couple is.....and two couples are......

Len of the Chilterns

Len of the Chilterns Report 26 Feb 2007 22:09

'A couple' is singular. A couple IS..... len

Mo

Mo Report 26 Feb 2007 22:20

I agree with Gwyneth..the 'couple' are 'one' item. What about this one? ........TWINS..and the next twina ....is or are?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 27 Feb 2007 00:26

Definitely 'is' for a couple. Kath. x

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 27 Feb 2007 00:32

The correct answer for one couple is always 'is'. In the sentence Bob used 'The next couple is Jack and Jill and they IS going to dance the tango' I think it should be 'The next couple is Jack and Jill: and they are going to dance the tango' The semi-colon makes all the difference. We have two clauses there instead of one. The 'they' in the second clause obviously refers back to the named persons. However a sentence could go 'The next couple is from France and is going to dance the tango.' This is one of the occasions when what is correct in English may sound wrong to speakers. Many people will happily say 'If I was you.' but that should be the subjunctive and go 'If I were you.' There's also 'Me and my hubby' in the original message which should be 'My husband and I.' Sue

Bobtanian

Bobtanian Report 27 Feb 2007 00:37

Peter.. ''Almost Unique''? an impossibility surely.. You are either Unique, or not......there is no in between..... Bob ( who IS unique) The next couple IS.............. or the next pair ARE..............

An Olde Crone

An Olde Crone Report 27 Feb 2007 00:39

Moira Twin IS Twins ARE. Twin is not a collective noun, it is an ordinary noun and the plural of an ordinary noun is to add an S. EG: The dog is running down the street. The dogs ARE running down the street - you wouldnt say, the dogs IS running down the street. OC