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I hope the new investigation into Ben Needham's disappearance gives an answer but sadly, as yet, not.

Ooops - that should have been "wandered off"

Think I read in one of the papers recently that re the disappearance of poor little Ben Needham, there may have been building work and a trench being dug thereabouts at that time . . . Also, I seem to recall evidence of road works or something similar in the reports of Madeline's disappearance . . . could she just have wondered off? Doesn't bear thinking about but . . .

By writing that, I'm interpreting it, as you saying that you know for fact, that something untoward happened, but won't say what it is, yet you put this thread on a public forum, for what good ?...

I was merely replying to your post of 15.09 where you said.....The person who you should be directing your anger at is the person/s who took her, unless of course you really believe that they murdered her themselves, and if that is the case, this thread really shouldn't be here, .....

That was my purpose for that comment...just a reply to your comments....nowt else.

In answer to your other questions re funding for other missing children. I am all in favour of each and every family being helped in the best way possible regardless of who it is..not just one...

On that note I will depart for the evening as I have company ....

I've seen hatred directed at the McCanns , on here and elsewhere Muffy.

But I really don't understand your post.......

"I also have to say for the record that I don't believe the McCanns murdered Madeleine at all...never have done..have never even suggested it....but I don't believe that she was abducted either....more than that I won't say on a public forum."

By writing that, I'm interpreting it, as you saying that you know for fact, that something untoward happened, but won't say what it is, yet you put this thread on a public forum, for what good ?

Only this week, there has been detectives sent from England to Kos, to search an area where Ben Needham went missing, should public funds not have been used for the detectives to go there?

As for hating what they did, and how they behaved, I don't, they left there children, they certainly now know they shouldn't of, I doubt they need telling.
As for how they behaved, I've never seen them as behaving badly, I only see there grief, I may be wrong, but that's how I see it, but even if I didn't see it that way, I'd be careful where I said I didn't, some conversations aren't for public forums, if there are no facts, as I said before they have NOT be charged with anything.

I don't care how much money is spent on finding any child, that has been taken, I just wish the children were found for the sake of them and there families.

Interesting post Lynda.

I'll address a few of the points you have made briefly ...Firstly...Hatred is a very strong word to use...and it's not come out of my mouth....I can't say as I hate the McCanns...I hate very few people, but most definitely not people I haven't dealt with directly....I hate what they did and how they've behaved..but I'd rather not have that emotion attributed to me when it's not the case...

I'm disgusted at the way the media have reported this case and turned a blind eye to the facts..and they are facts...and continued to report the soundbites that they are told to. I have never been a fan of spin...and where I can see wool being pulled over my eyes my immediate response is to find out WHY. Be it The McCann's, David Kelly etc etc.

I also have to say for the record that I don't believe the McCanns murdered Madeleine at all...never have done..have never even suggested it....but I don't believe that she was abducted either....more than that I won't say on a public forum.

I feel I've asked a perfectly legitimate question re the Madeleine fund being used for other missing children now that the UK tax payer is covering the costs of their search...and if that is considered spiteful..then...*shrugs* that's not why I did it.

I once left my children alone in a hotel room in Spain, to go to the bar to get them a drink, I was gone for maybe 10 minutes, someone could of seen me, minus children and gone to my room, had they of gone missing I would never have forgiven myself, I wouldn't need others to tell me that.

I really don't understand the intense hatred f the McCanns, did we blame Sarah Paynes mother for her child going missing, or April Jones' mother, or all the other children that go missing, when there parents weren't there with them at that second? I hope not.

The McCanns haven't been arrested here, and they still have there two other children with them, obviously the authorities think they are decent parents, or they wouldn't be with them

When I read the vitriolic comments of the McCanns, it really saddens me, they have lost a child, some of you are making such awful comments, you weren't there, you don't know what happened, the McCanns have to live with the fact they left her in a room, they will live with that forever.

The person who you should be directing your anger at is the person/s who took her, unless of course you really believe that they murdered her themselves, and if that is the case, this thread really shouldn't be here, because Madeline is still missing, and her parents aren't charged with any offence, and that's not fair to any of Madeline's family to have them tried and found guilty on a website, it really isn't.

Threads like this are spiteful, read what you have written, read it as though you are the parents of Madeleine, or any other child who has ever gone missing, read it, and think what good is it to finding what happened to Madeleine.

IF the parents are ever charged with anything, you can then rub your hands together, and say I knew it.

I feel desperately sorry for the McCanns, but if we ever find out that they had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance, I won't be dancing with glee.

What Puzzles me (And always has) why was only one child taken? Its a bit of an Enigma.**M**.

Do we not condem parent/s who leave children alone in the house while they have gone to a pub or even on holiday,,,,these cases have exsisted with severe consequences....

a child that wonders from your side just isnt the same as leaving them unattended as they were till that moment in full custody of you.

It should be a safe world for every child or minor,but sadly it isnt and the facts have been known for many years to be alert.going missing isnt the only danger for children......but most responsible adults/parent/s guardians dont purposely leave a minor/s unattended for their own pleasure.-

I can't explain why this case has held my intense interest for so long or why I have felt the need to spend many hours pouring over the translated and original police reports online...I found myself very affected by Madeleine's disappearance at the time...especially having a child who was only days younger than her....made it seem more real to me I suppose,...then in due course I became increasingly angry at the discrepancies between what is actually known about the case and what is reported about it in this country..

I, like Sue, question why this case has received the help from up high that it has...government spin doctors (Clarence Mitchell, Sheree Dodd, Justine McGuiness etc) and endless funds when others in a similar position are left to deal with it alone.........I also question the reason for the fund when the UK tax payer are now footing the bill.

Lynda, we have always been poles apart on the McCanns. Respect your opinion but cadaver and blood dogs don't lie!

I feel sad for the twins TBH. They will always carry the stigma of the mystery and they are the innocents.

I find all the interest in missing children's parents quite odd.

Most children who go missing weren't with there parents, they wouldn't of gone missing if they were. I don't know the backgrounds of any parents who children go missing, I don't look into them, I may have an opinion, but it doesn't spur me on to delve, I leave that to the police.


We lost our daughter once , she was aged four, we were shopping in the West End of London, near Christmas time, so the Street was heaving, we were looking in a shop window, she was next to me, seconds later I looked she was gone, no mobile phones then, so we had to fight our way into the shop, find an assistant, and then phone the police, that took at least 10 minutes, in that time we were distraught, once the police got there, they said there was a child who had been found at a shop half a mile away, but they didn't know the age or sex of the child, we ran to the shop,and there was our daughter, the relief was immense.

What had happened was my daughter had turned away, thought we weren't there, and got carried away with the crowds, across a road, luckily someone saw she was alone, and asked her where Mummy was, she said she didn't know, but knew we were going to another shop, which she knew the name of, this person, , took her to the shop, thank God, but supposing they hadn't, supposing they took her, what would people be saying about me? I dread to think..


The McCanns and there families must despair when the hear the stories about them.

I feel desperately sorry for the McCanns, as I do to any parent who's child go missing.

i have every sympathy for the poor child
but none for the stupid parents that should of known better

sorry thats just how i feel :-(

I dont think any of the other missing children were left ,at night while their parent/s were out of sight socialising........ but not just one child.....

Denise Bulger didn't leave her son alone in a crowded shopping centre, please check your facts!

Neither she nor Kerry Needham were part of a seedy social circle AFAIK and it would have certainly been in the press by now if they were.

The friends on holiday with the McCanns are hardly all pillars of society. Why does GM have a CATS file no: 19309 and why is it empty?

There is lots more but to insist NO photos are ever published showing them smiling says a lot about their connections with those in high office.

Denise Bulger knows what happened to her poor child.

Kerry Needham has had to fight more or less on her own for 2 decades.

Our government throws £4m at the McCanns to 'get at the truth'

Something wrong isn't there?

Some parents make mistakes and get away with it. Some parents don't.

I couldn't begin to think how I would deal with such a complex search. No I wouldn't have done what the McCanns did but children have been lost through many foolish acts of parents.

Another child who has been missing for approximately 19 years is Ben Needham and our police, under the direction of the Greek police are searching again on the island of Kos on the anniversary of his 21st birthday. I believe his mother has now returned to England. Ben disappeared from his grandparents own garden. This family also got little help from the local police at the time and only recently a consultant admitted seeing a little blond haired boy at the time of his disappearance. This very late information sparked a further search for this little boy who is now a young man. -jl

If anyone has watched the program 'Judge Judy', they will have heard her say, 'If it doesn't sound right then it probably isn't true.'

If ever there was a case that fits that description, then this is it.

likewise Sue

I am off to bed, I wonder if this will be full of holes in the morning as usual. Shame if it is :-(

...but if she was a pain in the &rse, could have 'walked' etc - why leave her alone?

Children are only pains in the &rse for short periods - until they reach adolescence - then they're one long pain - but you can (and want) to leave them alone.
Okay it may have 'ruined' their holiday to have a pain in the &rse with them - but thats being a parent - and the alternative is???.......