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Over the garden wall
I let the baby fall,
Mother come out
and gave me a clout
Over the garden wall.

Thanks Alice, so much to read, I have put it in my favourites and will look at it tomorrow....

sally

Isn't it just!

I've never really got round to looking on the net, but glad I did.

Alice

Brilliant site, Alice

The one I used to teach the children numbers.....

One two, buckle my shoe,
Three four, knock at the door,
Five six. pick up sticks.
Seven eight, lay them straight.
Nine Ten a big fat hen,
Eleven Twelve, dig and delve,
Thirteen Fourteen maids a courting
Fifteen Sixteen, maids a waiting,
Seventeen Eighteen maids a waiting.........gone wrong here somehow
Nineteen Twenty .....my plate's empty
Please Mum, give me more,
One, Two, Three, Four

sally

I dont know about that but I guess it could be so ....

Thanks Kemp.......I couldn't work out what the silver nutmeg and golden pear had to do with anything........is it the two churches then?

sally

nice site Alice ,,,and what memories

Thanks Uzzi.......I think most of the rhymes have a history to them.......Humpty Dumpty was a story about a Duke, I think, who did march his soldiers up and down a hill.....

sally

I love sixpence, jolly, jolly, sixpence,
I love sixpence as my life.
I spent a penny of it, l spent a penny of it,
I took a penny home to my wife.
I love fourpence, jolly, jolly, fourpence,
I love fourpence as my life.
I spent twopence of it, l spent twopence of it,
I took twopence home to my wife.
I have nothing, jolly, jolly, nothing,
I love nothing as my life.
I spent nothing of it, l spent nothing of it,
I took nothing home to my wife.

Moon child that is right and that was done to help change the attitude of the people to the churches .......as Issabella was christian and Fred was a german chatholic..........................


EDIT and thats when spain became spain as it was called Castelle......

so many nursery rhymes came from out of history

ring a ring a roses came from the plague apparently

Ooh.....

I've just googled 'Nursery Rhymes + history' and if you go to 'famousquotes.me.uk', it gives the background to a lot of them!


Lovely reading.

Alice

think you're correct there
Origins and History

The characters in the nursery rhyme 'I had a little nut tree' are believed to refer to the visit of the Royal House of Spain to King Henry VII's English court in 1506. The 'King of Spain's daughter' refers to the daughter of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain. There were two daughters, Princess Juana and her sister Katherine of Aragon. The princess in the nursery rhyme is probably Katherine of Aragon who was betrothed to Prince Arthur, the heir to the throne of England. Arthur died and Katherine eventually married King Henry VIII. It was sad that "So fair a princess" had such a difficult life with Henry as she was the first of Henry's six wives and discarded by the King to make way for Anne Boleyn. Queen Katherine was much loved by the British people who hated her replacement, who they called 'The Great Whore'. The young, beautiful princess relates to the young Katherine, as a princess and is immortalised in this old nursery rhyme .

That's th one Granny:))) I also found this - I had a little nut tree,
Nothing would it bear
But a silver nutmeg,
And a golden pear.

The King of Spain's daughter
Came to visit me,
And all for the sake
Of my little nut tree.

Her dress was all of crimson,
Coal black was her hair,
She asked me for my nutmeg
And my golden pear.

I said, "So fair a princess
Never did I see,
I'll give to you the fruit
Of my little nut tree."

Then she had to leave me
And journey back to Spain
The nut tree is blooming
And bearing fruit again

I'll sail across the waters
I'll row across the sea
And bring to her the fruit
Of my little nut tree.

I had a little nut tree,
Nothing would it bear
But a silver nutmeg,
And a golden pear.

The King of Spain's daughter
Came to visit me,
And all for the sake
Of my little nut tree.

There is a very old nursery Ryme book on Googlebooks Uggers. All the ones we learned, the original versions too. Takes me back :-)

My daughter is now in the process of teaching her little one all those she learned and more ( well, singing them to her...she is but a baby :-))

We too had the discussion about how gruesome some of them were/are, but I don't recall thinking that way when I was small....just loved singing them.

Talking of the history of nursery rhymes.......I think I remember reading somewhere that the little nut tree nursery rhyme was about Katherine of Aragon, the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain, coming to England to marry the elder brother of Henry VIII, who died.....

sally

patta cake patta cake bakers man
bake me a cake as fast as you can

I had a little nut tree and nothing would it bear,
But a silver nutmeg and a golden pear.
The king of Spain's daughter came to visit me,
And all for the sake of my little nut tree.

I danced over the water, I danced over the sea
But all the birds of the air couldn't catch me.
I had a little nut tree and nothing would it bear,
But a silver nutmeg and a golden pear.

Uggs are you sure yours is a publishable version ???