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my grandson along with his mum has to go to the police station,
were upon he will be arrested and then bailed to his home address.
WHY!!! because when he was walking home from school with some
of his friends one of them pushed another lad and the lad went home crying. his mother reported it to the school and all 3 lads were put on detention even though the lad who pushed the other
lad said that he was the only one involved and the other 2 had nothing to do with it.but the school said the other 2 should not have walked away but should have tried to stop the push HOW!!.

Anyway we thought that was the end off it but no the parent wan'ts all 3 charged for assult i can't get my head round this and my
grandson is scared to death of the police.(he is 12 years old)

A few weeks ago my 11 year old daughter was walking home when a large group of boys thought it funny to trip her up. The result was large grazing on both her knees, One of which became infected as it was so bad. Her school trousers were ruined and her mobile phone got broke as she had it in her hand when she fell.
It took a lot for her to go back to school the next day as she had only been there for 2 weeks.
They never caught who did it as she could not identify them, But although it was only one boy who did trip her up, all the others were there and not one of them tried to help her, So im sorry but in my book that makes them just as responsible.
Im sorry if this offends, I don't mean it that way, Just trying to give the other side of the story.
Pat

i am sorry that happend to your daughter and im not saying people should walk away what i am saying is if your not involved with the issue then why are they
arresting my grandson for something he wasn't involved in. so what you are saying is if the public don't go and help someone then they should be punished too,sorry i don't agree with you but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.my grandson didn't stand there watching he carried on walking home.

I would think they are arresting him because he was there, As far as they are concerned he was at the scene of a crime.
If it had been one of your grandsons friends who had got hurt, Would he have walked away then? Probably not I bet. It has to work both ways as far as im concerned.
Pat

Nannie..........I would be surprised if your Grandson is actually arrested / bailed.
However the police might take his photo / fingerprints and D.N.A. whilst he is there......they like to get as many youngsters as possible on file these days..........and even if nothing comes of this incident , he will be kept "on file".

Amanda

all the lads are friends but the 2 involved had, had some words in school and thats what led to a push not beaten up or kicked a push and like my grandson said it was nothing to do with him so why get involved it was a one to one thing on the other
hand you said there were a group who hurt your daughter and thats not acceptable and is very wrong
as was the push but i don't think my grandson did
wrong in walking away. we could argue to differ all night and i don't want that so i will say good night to
you and thankyou for your oppinion.

thanks for that amanda, my grandson is not a bad lad he dosen't cause trouble with anyone. he dosen't hang around streets he works hard at school and
all adults that know him always say what a polite boy he is. i am just so upset by all this i could
understand if he was involved in the push then i would he deserves the punishment.

nannie

now adays i think your granson done right
can't see why he should be involved .
i understand when theres a group of people picking on one someone should of got help for them .

...............hope all turns out well
......................rose..............x

Try not to worry to much nannie.

A couple of years ago one of my daughters was accused of vandalism and had to attend the police station for the purpose of making a statement.
It wasn't anything to do with her , she had stopped to chat to a couple of lads ( who then kicked over a newly built wall ) she walked away the moment they had started playing up........but because she was there she was also suspected. Nothing came of it ( but the police have her on file now ? )

Amanda

Nannie, this doesn't sound right at all to me. Also, I believe they can only retain prints and dna if he is charged with certain types of offence. If I was you I would seek legal advice immediately. There are some that specialise in young people's advocacy.

You are right, if you are not involved in the incident then you cannot be held accountable. That would mean that anyone that was ever in the vicinity of a crime would be held accountable for someone elses actions - a tough call for adults never mind 12 yo's. In my opinion he did the right thing by walking away. Perhaps they are trying to scare the two not involved into spilling the beans on the one who did the pushing? That said... I believe that for someone to be charged with assault there has to be a complainant, and if the injured boy's parents aren't interested in pursuing this criminally then the police can't just decide to (That is my understanding of the law anyway... I may be wrong). Again, I say you should seek advice. If there is no evidence that he did nothing wrong then he cannot be 'done' for anything (reasonable doubt and innocent until proven guilty do still apply).

Pat, what happened to your daughter is a terrible thing and my opinion on this situation by no means diminishes how critical I am of the boy that did that to your child but this is very different I think. If a 12 yo boy happened to be walking past when your daughter was hurt by those older boys would you really expect an innocent 12 yo boy to potentially have his life ruined by a criminal conviction for something he had no involvement in? What if it was your daughter who had witnessed the even rather than being a victim. This boy didn't stand and laugh, or goad his friend, he simply did the simple thing and got out of the way.

thankyou rose,i am so worried about all this and he dosen't go to the police station till next wednesday
so its a long wait but they did say he would be arrested when he arrives there, i never thought you could be arrested for not fighting but there you go.

but if i rang the police for anything whats the bet they wouldn't turn up which has happened in the past. but that another story.

nannie

thanks summer scribe, the boy who pushed the other boy admitted he had done this and no other person was involved, the school believes him and he was punished accordingly in school as was my grandson and his other friend for walking away, but the paren'ts of the victim wan'ts charges brought
against all 3 so the police say they have to arrest all and then set bail until they have cleared the matter up. i just hope it all comes out ok for him he
is so worried he dosen't want to go on his school trip tomorrow bless him.

nannie

nannie

im sorry but you grandson should of walked away i do not mean this horribly but these days you dont know what children are carrying... the police shouldn spend there time on a push around of 12 year olds when there are 12 year olds walking around with knives...


charley xxx

thanks for all your support and i will keep you all
updated when we have been to the police station
fingers crossed all will be fine for my grandson.
it shows how my mind is at the moment i put nannie
twice at the bottom of my last message, i would hit the bottle but i don't drink either.

nannie xx

thanks charley,
i agree it seems though that the paren'ts want someone punished for their lads upset i know the lads parents and they know my grandson because
the lads went to the same primary school and i even helped her to get her lad in the same school as my grandson because they rejected their request for him to attend the same school, but i can't dwell on
that can i?

nannie x

I wasn't going to come back to this thread as I didn't feel it necessary to give my opinion any more than I already had, But I would like to answer Summer,

If an innocent child had walked past then of course I wouldn't expect them to get involved. The thing is that this boy wasn't just walking past he was with the child who did it.
Im not saying that he is completley to blame, But maybe he should be encouraged to choose nicer friends, Ones who have respect for other people.

Pat

Nannie

What exactly has he been arrested for? Pushing is not a crime!!

Pink
xx

I don't think it is such a bad thing for the police to demonstrate their might to lads of this age. Then, when temptation to do something wrong does come their way later, like when they have been on the sherbet in future, they might just remember how they felt.

at the moment all they will say to my daughter is that he was there when the push was given and until they can prove he wasn't involved and he walked away he has to be arrested and then bailed. he didn't stand and watch the boy who did the pushing
and the boy who was pushed just gave the names of all 3 boys the police says its assult so i just hope he gets cleared of all this.

nannie x

Nanny, please excuse me but its all a load of Boxxxcks. they should leave kids to sort out their problems. In my day you had a fall out then were friends again without any interferance from anyone. these days people are full of red tape and being politically correct. kids should be aloud to learn for themselves. nite, x