General Chat

Michael - you've hit the nail on its head.

We are all 'human' with accompanying frailties - 7 days a week. It's been like this since Adam & Eve eat the apple & did other things too. So, it turned out that the Garden of Eaden wasn't all it was supposed to be.

I have beliefs that can't be explained.... they aren't religious as such but people still ridicule them.... I just think its ignorance or lack of understanding on their part as I am sure they believe in things I don't and I don't ridicule them!!!

I treat people how I want to be treated and if they are rude to me then I blank them in future

SIMPLE AS THAT!

I think I know the blog TOR is referring to. If it's the same one, this person isn't just mocking a person's faith belief, they are mocking the people who hold those beliefs in a rather crude and viscious manner.

To decry a person/set of people in the way this blogger is doing is rather reminiscent of the way negroes were/are viewed by the Klu Klux Klan, ie 'We're white and superior to you, and we can say what we like' - even though the majority of society finds their argument sadly lacking as is their sense of humanity and ....well....just sense!!! No logic to what they say or why they say it - they just feel they have the 'right' to lynch someone of a different colour. Likewise this blogger feels they have the right to metaphorically lynch anyone who subscribes to a belief system - they don't and think they are superior.
Which, if you take it further means they belong to a belief system that puts them in the group of 'superior' people who go round with their heads up their own backsides because that's as far as they can see of the outside world!!


I'll take me medication now LOL

maggie

This is an interesting debate and I hope it doesn't deteriorate into a squabble.

There are a couple of points from Michael's posting with which I feel I disagree to a certain extent.

Firstly science deals with theories. It never says things are proven since it can never prove that something doesn't exist or hasn't happened somewhere. A theory is a set of observations which have not been disproved.
Our observations are based on our own perceptions of the universe. Even what we have discovered often flies in the face of common sense. Objects which are solid in our world are mostly empty space at the subatomic level. Quantum mechanics deal all the time with the weird and totally unlikely.

Therefore logically I cannot say that there is no spiritual realm. I am not personally aware of it on a daily basis (though I have had what I feel may be spiritual experiences) but that does not preclude there being people with perceptions I do not possess.

Secondly I feel politics is a vitally important subject and should be understood by more people. It is the method by which humans conduct their lives at local, national and international levels. If people opt out of taking part then we leave ourselves open to being led by dictatorships and oligarchies.

I do agree that education is a very important thing and should be a lifelong process. My own education has led me to rather different conclusions and beliefs.

Sue

Lol Maggie,

TOR I believe mocking anyones beliefs represents a deep sense of self loathing and mistrust. We cannot all respect what others believe, me included, but we can agree to not mock.

Caz x

It's a difficult thing imo. I have beliefs in lots of things and some of them are stronger than others. Some of them are logical and others barely explicable. I have a religion but find Life of Brian one of the funniest things ever and that mocks some of my beliefs....so I suppose what makes the difference to me is how beliefs are mocked and whether it's between friends, for humour's sake, whether there's malicious intent and so on.

I have as everyone else has ,,,,the right to verbal any religious teachings of any faith ,,but

I do """not""" have a right to verbal those who follow those teachings,...


many many dont like knock at the door religious callers,,,many many turn them away --- go on admit it,!!,---,,its not the caller thats dislked ,,but for the religion,,,,,,its the religious teachings of that faith thats not agreed with,,,,,not the beliver,,

As a child I was taught by my parents that I should respect other people’s beliefs, belongings & never make another person feel bad about themselves. We were taught right from wrong. The Victorian term would be ‘God Fearing’, but I like to think of it as a blueprint to social living.

Uggers, 'Life of Brian' is an incredibly funny and uplifting film, and even the deeply religious are allowed a sense of humour!!! In my opinion, if a person can't sometimes see the funny side of some of their beliefs - or non-belief come to that - they're well on the way to becoming a fundamentalist!!...............................



And boring with it! LOL

It is a test of a good religion whether you can joke about it. (G K Chesterton.)

Too true, Dermot :o)

I think we all need to relearn the art of laughing at ourselves. PC has changed that. Laughing at our imperfections is human but we are so careful these days.
Sue