General Chat

I'm at a loss to know Colin what the Ancient Greeks have to do with any of this. They were only at the earliest 4000 years ago and that was their ancestors in Minoan Crete .

If you were to imagine the evolution of man as extending the length of a football pitch then the length of time in man's historical history is only a couple of steps.

Then that whole space of time since earliest hominids is a tiny fraction of geological time.

Our own ideas are fine cmd but if we put forward ideas on an open forum then it is not being wrong to put forward alternatives.

A faith of any kind which denies facts is open to debate. If the holder of a belief is ignorant of the facts then that is sad.

I think my way of seeing it is that science explains the how while religion can perhaps explain the why. The vast majority of Christians do not see any problem with evolution.

Sue

Colin,Just a Small Point,You say "Quote" Your."Sorry" You,re using the "Educational Digits of the" Ancient Greeks".What " Digit" are you using? Would it happen to be the Middle finger of your right Hand.:o))))>**M**

Surely there is room on this big planet of ours..for us to have our own ideas..based on whatever our brain and/or heart decide......
I hate to see a debate decend into who thinks who is right or wrong by being insultive to each other

PLEASE be kind to one another....

Our concern should be....not how we got here (although interesting)....but how we can conserve and improve life on earth for mankind, and make the world a healthier, and safer place to be.......
cmd xxxxxxxxxxx

Simply put - yes
The simple explanations of nomadic
goat herders 4000 years ago!
Not a lot of relevance to the modern scientific world mate!

xxxxx mick

Trouble is, the Bible account of creation is that simpley put down,that the average person cannot understand it, had it been put down in scientific terminology, it would definateley have confused
man down through the ages, after all folkes, your
still using all the educational digits of the Ancient
Greeks, which leads me to think this evolution dont
move very quickly educationally
Mick, this probebley beyond you, so stick with
your Digere do xxxx

colin

Yes Sue - it is all far more wondrous and
beautiful than any Creationist nonsense!

(the last time I posted that, my post
"disappeared!- so much for free and fair debate!)

xxxx mick

LOL Mick

Yes that game looks fun......but as someone who got really addicted to Tetris and Lemmings I think I'm safer staying away! I spend enough time on the computer as it is.

I spent my teenage years in Lyme Regis on the south coast of England where fossils are abundant. I found a vertebra from an ichthyosaur in our garden (identified by a professor of paleontology). Every now and then (usually in the summer when Bible missions would come to run activities on the beach) there would be meetings in the town hall with fairly heated debates. My sister (a geologist) and I somehow actually got invited to one once and how we sat through the pseudo-science lecture that went first I don't know. I do remember my sister and I getting quite vocal in the debate that followed!

I joined an astronomical society in my late teens and went on star gazing meetings and even holidays. I find the wonders of space fascinating. I have never been able to work out how creationists equate star light coming from millions of light years away with a supposed creation only 10 thousand years ago (which is what the most extreme believers think). Their arguments need to ditch so much mainstream science and few seem to realise that evolution is only one of many theories which they have to ignore.

I taught about dinosaurs etc when I was a Primary teacher which did annoy my school head who was and is a creationist. He is also still a very good friend but we steer clear of certain topics of discussion. It was a bit amusing a few years ago when he was visiting us at the same time as our daughter. He asked her what she was doing and I was frantically trying to make signs to her to just say studying old bones but she's a paleoanthropologist so her specialism is the evolution of early man.

I am finding the books on the latest DNA findings fascinating. It is all confirming the links between all living things on Earth. The way in which within us there still remain redundant (known as fossil) genes is very interesting. We have lost for example about half of our sense of smell simply because we no longer need it and that part of our gene code is now corrupted.

We are all used to the idea that DNA can be used to confirm relationships between people and we are familiar with its use in criminal cases. It seems odd to me that the same idea when species are compared suddenly becomes a no no.
If species share most of their DNA then they are closely related. If similar DNA were simply scattered about among creatures then it would (I think) logically mean that humans with similar DNA couldn't be assumed to be related.

Sue

I think we should all chip in
and buy Colin a copy of the
"Spore" computer game.
He might learn something.

(I wonder if they market a
Creationist version?)

xxxx mick

Ophelia,Well at least one of them learnt to drive a Jag,The rest of them ?????????.anything is possible.**M**.:o))>

I was responding to the evolution part of this.


Need to read up on the other aspects of the thread

*runs in to save Eldrick from being a thread killer*


lol

Science? DId you say science?

On a creationist thread?

lol

When man has the capabilities through science to tamper with the reproduction of any being, how can that being evolve in its natural way?


Frosty

Sue- I love your work!!

Keep on at the ignorant b*******!

xxxx mick

hi Sue...
I know a well read person when I see one! : )
I used to get that Focus mag when it first came out..fascinating reading..and make it comprehensable for us `non` scientic people. Not sure why I stopped getting it.I got my son that Ripleys extraordinary facts..that is intersesting too...not that disimilar to stuff you get in Focus mags..
Lol @ Merlin..you wouldn`t be referring to fact most politions are monkeys would you? : )

In my experience...monkeys only talk on P.G tips commercials...Oh!..They aren`t real?..

Yes Colin,They,ve been asking Questions in Parliament for years.**M**.:o))>

Good morning Ophelia

Ah you noticed I like reading then?!

I don't so much read books as devour them and on as wide a range of interesting subject matter as possible. I also subscribe to Focus magazine which is a great monthly publication on science and technology. It explains things so that artists like me can understand!

Can I please suggest that before any more similar threads to this are started that those who think evolution is nonsense read the following website thoroughly? I have read every bit of that and all the links so I'm happy to argue any bit of it but we do need to start on a level playing field!
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/

Creationism is not a valid scientific alternative to mainstream science. It worries me that a huge proportion of the population of the most powerful nation in the world are living in a fog of dogma.

I don't like upsetting people but if there are going to be threads based on statements which are claimed as factual but are in reality twaddle, then anyone posting them onto an open forum like this cannot then complain bitterly if others shoot down their ideas in flames.

This isn't a personal attack on any particular individual but on the opinions they hold.

In a democracy that is how it works.

Sue

sorry...bit of a mistake....second sentence...meant to put each others!

Mmmmm...have read most of this thread..interesting..I like what you said..C.M.D..about we are all eathers others teacher, & vice versa..I have learned so much on here about peoples point of views, and made me look at things differently..so a very valid point. As for Sue..you are obviously well read, to put intelligent ideas you have described. For example, if such a thread was not started..I would never of known about that book you recommended..(which I wouldn`t mind reading)..
I am of the thinking that knowedge is power..and with this one can `argue` the cause with topics such as..`Have monkies learnt to talk`...My theories on evolution are basic..but I do agree with a lot of what Sue has said.

Have Monkies learnt to talk? is this a reference to the current round of political part conferences?