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Welfare state - debate

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Harry

Harry Report 17 Mar 2008 12:40

According to the Daily mail, 20,000 families receive more than £30,000 in benefits per annum
75,000 families get more than £25,000 a year.
Can that be right?
I know most of the arguments for AND against, but would be interested in the view of others.
Don,t get too hot under the collar.

Happy days

Catherine from Manchester

Catherine from Manchester Report 17 Mar 2008 12:49

well Harry-it's no wonder a certain element of society choose not to go to work-

this is a time bomb thread lol
catherine
xx

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥ Report 17 Mar 2008 12:49

That's 95,000 families better off than ours then...............and we both work, always have.

There seems to be something wrong with the benefit system if this is correct.

No-one should live in poverty, but I do sometimes think the balance is weighted against people like us who married, raised a family, got a mortgage and have always worked.

xx

Kay????

Kay???? Report 17 Mar 2008 12:50

Depends on what the benifits are,,,,,,,,DLA,Mobility Allowence,Rent Benifits,,,,Council Tax Benifits,,,,,,,,Child Benifits,,,,Careser Allowences,,,,,,these are all taken and added up into those 20.000.75.000 families,,,,,,,,so feasible,,,,,,

a family can net ££££'s a year in Benifits from a single DLA,or other Benifit paid to just one family,,,,,,,,,,,

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy Report 17 Mar 2008 12:53

Hmmm

I'm single - childless - have a mortgage and have worked full time since i was 17 years old - oh and I'm poor !!!

Catherine from Manchester

Catherine from Manchester Report 17 Mar 2008 12:54

I think the genuine families that have hardship that are claiming well fine-but the one's that are milking the system for what they can get-well that's a different story altogether.

It's like you see on the news some random bloke on video caught lifting heavy stuff and being paid whilst claiming disability allowance-not on at all.

catherine
xx

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥ Report 17 Mar 2008 12:54

Anita.............Hmmmmm..................you seem to be like us then!

Where did we go wrong?? lol

xx

♥♥Skeggy Girl♥♥

♥♥Skeggy Girl♥♥ Report 17 Mar 2008 12:57

Both myself and Hubby work full time always have..with the exception of the few weeks after havein our girls...............we dont recive a penny except from the obvious child benifit........the one thing i am really not sure on is this EMA.........my eldest is in her final yr at school she is stayin on an wen she asked why she wasnt given an application form she was told that it was cause both parents worked full time,,,,how wrong.,,,i dont think any child should be paid to attend school.......dont get me wrong both myself an hubby are both on good wages....an i do not belive any one should live in povety...far from it...Rachel..xx

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy Report 17 Mar 2008 13:00

Kitty- I sometimes wonder hun .................... xx

Dawnieher3headaches

Dawnieher3headaches Report 17 Mar 2008 13:08

Well Im on benefit (incapacity and DLA) and dont get that much.

Hubby is self employed and would rather work for very little than claim more benefit but am sure that if he wound his business up we would be better off but then we would be at each others throats all day and he would feel useless.

Because of the money we get I have already bought birthday presents for laddo as they were in sale and baby gifts for my cousin even though its not born yet, cant do it any other way.

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥

♥ Kitty the Rubbish Cook ♥ Report 17 Mar 2008 13:10

Good for you Dawnie:))

You are so right about your husband working too, it gives a good example to the children and means he can be proud of himself....................but self-employment is no easy ride is it!

xx

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy

McAnne's Gahan-Crazy Report 17 Mar 2008 13:14

Oh and - in the past 7 years I have had to work a day job and a weekend job ............. and then I even worked an evening job as well - so was doing 3 jobs at once just to make ends meet!!

Roxanne

Roxanne Report 17 Mar 2008 13:15

Hi Harry,
I have very mixed feelings about it.
I think anyone In genuine need should get all the help they need to get back on their feet,unfortunatly there are always the few that spoil it for genuine cases.

I do think that there are cases where they are not genuine and milk the system.

**Stella ~by~ Starlight**★..★..★

**Stella ~by~ Starlight**★..★..★ Report 17 Mar 2008 13:20

i am now getting my pension, but up until 2 years ago iwas bringing my youngest child up on my own and i received abt £85 per week for the two of us. life was not easy i can tell you, how on earth people get these huge amounts of money i will never know

Rhoda

Rhoda Report 17 Mar 2008 13:21

skeggy

the ema is only £30 a week and it's so the student can buy relivent matrials for the course and to cover travel expense.
but you only get the money if you turn up to every lesson and complete all the work that is needed for that week.

the parents don't have to be on benifits to get ema you can also get it if your parents earning are below a certain amount.

covlass

covlass Report 17 Mar 2008 13:24

I do not work my husband is self employed. We recieve carers allowance & DLA for my daughter and the costs on a yearly basis are a lot more than what we recieve in benefits. Any thing classed as 'special needs' is so much more expensive that what other items cost. We also would be better off if my husabnd worked for some one rather than being self employed, but this would not give him the flexiable hours he can have now. I try not to relie on him if he isnt working he isnt earning. But when the long summer holidays come some days I do need a break. This works well for us and although I recieve these benefits my husband pays TAX's + 6 months up front

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 17 Mar 2008 13:26

I know of families where generations have never had a proper job - it seems to be a culture that's developed in some families

Jax in Wales

Jax in Wales Report 17 Mar 2008 13:28

My husband works very long hours and long shift patterns and if those figures are correct we would be better off on benefits, not that we would ever consider that.

There is a percentage of people too ill to work which I totally understand but if they have a partner why cant they go out to work and provide for their families and just claim DLA to help them out a bit more.

Dawnie shame more people dont have the same principles as you and your OH xxxx

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 17 Mar 2008 13:52

I am a single parent, but got minimum benefit when they were small, because I worked during term time.
Once they left school I did full time temp work (office) but the wages were so low, I was entitled to Workers Tax Credit!!
Been working for the council for past 2 years, the council has finally evened up men's & women's pay. They have very cleverly changed my job title so the word 'finance' has been removed (80% of my job is finance), declared I am on too much money and frozen my pay for 2 years!! Guess who will be entitled to Workers Tax Credit next year!!

maggie

♥♥Skeggy Girl♥♥

♥♥Skeggy Girl♥♥ Report 17 Mar 2008 13:54

Rhoda....i do understand what the Ema is,,,but i dont understand why a child gets paid to go to school,,,Rachel..xx