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I realise I'm probably wasting my time, but if Will EVER returns, I trust he will take note of all of the info ;-) ;-) ;-)

Mary's first marriage..........matches Sarah's surname in 1841

First name(s) Joseph Mumby
County Lincolnshire
Last name Willson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Marriage year 1824
Page 12
Marriage date 12 Jan 1824
Event type Marriages
Residence Marshchapel
Record set Lincolnshire Marriages And Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's last name Sargent
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's residence Marshchapel
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Marshchapel


First name(s) Joseph Mumby
County Lincolnshire
Last name Willson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Birth year 1796
Page 16
Age 32
Record set Lincolnshire Burials
Burial year 1828
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Burial date 18 Dec 1828
Subcategory Parish Burials
Place Marshchapel

Joseph & Mary's children's baptisms

Elizabeth Maddison
Willson
1824
Joseph Mumby
Mary
Marshchapel

Joseph
Willson
1826
Joseph Mumby
Mary
Marshchapel

Sally Sergent
Willson
1827
Joseph
Mary
Marshchapel

Younger brother of GEORGE snr..........................(the one who married TOOLEY)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Marshchaple, Louth, Lincolnshire, England

John Robinson Head Married Male 40 1811 Boot & shoe maker master 2 men Huttoft, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Robinson Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Lincolnshire, England
Sarah Robinson Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 Serv Lincolnshire, England
James Towris Servant Unmarried Male 22 1829 Boot shoe maker journey man Lincolnshire, England
Samuel Vickers Servant Unmarried Male 18 1833 Boot shoe maker ap Lincolnshire, England


In 1841, Sarah's surname is Willson....................so this is her mother's marriage to John Robinson

First name(s) John
County Lincolnshire
Last name Robinson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Marriage year 1833
Page 21
Marriage date 24 Dec 1833
Event type Marriages
Residence Marshchapel
Record set Lincolnshire Marriages And Banns
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Wilson***************************************WIDOW
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's residence Marshchapel
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Marshchapel

Witnesses Francis Wilson, Elizabeth Stothard

PM sent to Will 24/10 re new (accurate) info……..not yet opened

Son George born 1838

Name George Robinson
Gender Male
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 11 Aug 1868
Marriage Place Saint Mary Magdalene, Woolwich: Church Street, Greenwich, England
Father George Robinson......................................Butcher
Spouse Matilda Rebecca Clark
Register Type Parish Register

Doesn't say father is deceased, but the question may not have been asked


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hycroft, Lesney Park Road, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England
George Robinson Head Married Male 62 1839 Retired draper Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Matilda R Robinson Wife Married Female 55 1846 - Strood, Kent, England
Susanna M Robinson Daughter Single Female 31 1870 - Woolwich, Kent, England
Millicent M Robinson Daughter Single Female 25 1876 - Woolwich, Kent, England
Frank W Robinson Son Single Male 27 1874 Brewers Woolwich, Kent, England
Alice A Fox Servant Single Female 24 1877 Cook domestic Blofield, Norfolk, England
Ellen J Richards Servant Single Female 24 1877 Housemaid Netley, Hampshire, England


1911 Census For England & Wales
Hycroft Lesney Park Road Erith, Erith, Kent, England
George Robinson Head Married Male 72 1839 Retired draper Boston Lincolnshire
Matilda Rebecca Robinson Wife Married Female 65 1846 - Strood Kent
Susannah Mary Robinson Daughter Single Female 41 1870 - Woolwich Kent
Frank Ward Robinson Son Single Male 37 1874 Draper Woolwich Kent
Millicent Martha Robinson Daughter Single Female 35 1876 - Woolwich Kent
Emily Johnson Servant Single Female 22 1889 Cook domestic Plumstead Kent
Clara Graham Servant Single Female 20 1891 Housemaid domestic Erith Kent


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hare Street, Woolwich, London & Kent, England
George Robinson Head - Male 32 1839 Draper Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Matilda Robinson Wife - Female 25 1846 General serv Strood, Kent, England
George H Robinson Son - Male 0 1871 - Woolwich, Kent, England
Susannah Robinson Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Shood, Kent, England
Elizabeth Robinson **widow***Mother - Female 72 1799 - Boston, Lincolnshire, England

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
Robinson Elizabeth 73 Woolwich 1d 651

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Name Elizabeth Robinson
Register Type Burial
Death Date 30 Oct 1873
Burial or Cremation Date 5 Nov 1873
Burial or Cremation Place Greenwich, United Kingdom

From the original OPR of the marriage posted by ArgyllGran at 1757 -

George Robinson of the Parish of Harmston, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Smith - of this Parish (ie St Peter at Gowts)
Both signed
Only 1 witness showing - William Smith

Thanks AG

An illustration of the importance of careful research as opposed to making assumptions

Ancestry suggests this is the marriage of George (Nocton):

George Robinson
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name George Robinson
Gender Male
Marriage Date 25 Dec 1830
Marriage Place St Peter At Gowts,Lincoln,Lincoln,England
Spouse Elizabeth Smith
FHL Film Number 0599504 IT 1, 94064

I think it's probably correct.
Elizabeth was born in Lincoln, according to censuses.

I agree with ErikaH.

The man in Nocton was NOT the man who married Elizabeth Tooley.

At 15:26 ErikaH posted the correct 1841 and 1851 censuses for the Robinson/Tooley couple.

Birth of the son George in 1838:

ROBINSON, GEORGE mmn TOOLEY
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in BOSTON Volume 14 Page 225




Here is the 1851 census for the man in Nocton:

George Robinson
in the 1851 England Census
Name George Robinson
Age 44
Estimated Birth Year abt 1807
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Robinson
Gender Male
Where born Nocton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish Nocton
County/Island Lincolnshire
Country England
Registration District Lincoln
Sub-registration district Lincoln South
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Neighbors
Household schedule number 23
Piece 2104
Folio 160
Page number 9
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Robinson 44 Head
Elizabeth Robinson 40 Wife
Jane Robinson 8 Daughter
Mary Robinson 6 Daughter
Sosan Robinson 2 Daughter
John Robinson 12 Son
Joseph Robinson 4 Son
Ann Hettle Jampha 14 Servant


Births of the children:

ROBINSON, JOSEPH BALDWIN mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in LINCOLN UNION Volume 14 Page 463

ROBINSON, JOHN mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in LINCOLN UNION Volume 14 Page 429

ROBINSON, SUSAN ELEN mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 14 Page 465

ROBINSON, MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in LINCOLN UNION Volume 14 Page 442

ROBINSON, JANE mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in LINCOLN UNION Volume 14 Page 480

First name(s) Susannah
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Last name Robinson
Spouse's father's last name Stower
Sex Female
Church St Botolph
Birth year 1836
Place Boston, St Botolph
Age 22
County Lincolnshire
Marriage year 1858
Country England
Marriage date 25 Dec 1858
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Residence Cheney Street
Page 203
Spouse's first name(s) Jacob
Event type Marriages
Spouse's last name Stower
Record set Lincolnshire Marriages And Banns
Spouse's age 23
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Wide Bargate
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Father's first name(s) George
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Robinson

Name Jacob Stower
Gender Male
Age 25
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1836
Spouse's Name Susannah Stower
Where born Winshand, Somerset, England
Civil parish Boston
Ecclesiastical parish St Botolph
Town Boston
County/Island Lincolnshire
Country England
Registration District Boston
Sub-registration district Boston
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Household schedule number 9
Piece 2336
Folio 81
Page number 2
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jacob Stower 25 Head
Susannah Stower 24 Wife

First name(s) Susannah
Country England
Last name Stower
Headstone notes Wife of Jacob S. Stower
Sex Female
Location Marian Road
Birth year 1837
Reference H2103
Age 25
Record number 12679
Death year 1862
Record set Lincolnshire Monumental Inscriptions
Death date 17 Jun 1862
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place Boston
Subcategory Parish Burials
Burial ground Cemetery
Collections from England, Great Britain
County Lincolnshire


Name Susannah Stower
Death Date 16 Jun 1862
Death Place Lincolnshire, England
Probate Date 11 Nov 1862
Probate Registry Lincoln
Probate to widower, Jacob Singleton Stower, Grocer


STOWER, ELIZABETH ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 363

Name Elizabeth Stower
Birth Date 1859
Death Date 27 Feb 1860
Cemetery Boston Cemetery and Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Boston, Boston Borough, Lincolnshire, England

Inscription
SUSANNAH the beloved Wife of Jacob S. Stower, who died 17 June 1862. Aged 25 years. Also of Elizabeth, Daughter of the above who died 27 Feb. 1860 aged 22 weeks.

First name(s) Henry
County Lincolnshire
Last name Robinson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1834
Page 55
Baptism date 18 Apr 1834
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) George
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Description St Botolph
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Boston, St Botolph

First name(s) Susannah
Place Boston, St Botolph
Last name Robinson
County Lincolnshire
Sex Female
Country England
Birth year 1836
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Birth date 25 Jun 1836
Page 1676
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Baptism date 18 Jul 1836
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) George
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Collections from England, Great Britain
Description St Botolph

George's TWIN

First name(s) Mary
County Lincolnshire
Last name Robinson
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1808
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Baptism date 15 May 1808
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Susanna
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Huttoft

.......and younger brother

First name(s) John
Place Huttoft, St Margaret
Last name Robinson
Deanery Calcewaithe
Baptism year 1810
County Lincolnshire
Baptism date 04 Jun 1810
Country England
Relationship Son
Archive reference Huttoft Parish Registers
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Entry number 24425
Mother's first name(s) Susanna
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Residence Huttoft
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Denomination Anglican
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Description St Margaret

Will

You say you have 'info on the children'......................what are their names, and have you PROVED that they belong to the parents you think are theirs? Birth registrations, for example, showing MMN?

I'm not 100% convinced that George who died in 1890 is the one who married Elizabeth Tooley.....she was several years older than him, and Ancestry links that death to a man with a younger wife. Unless, of course, Elizabeth (Tooley) died and was replaced by another Elizabeth..............

Posting info as I find it, rather than lose it and have to start again

ROBINSON, GEORGE (MMN)TOOLEY *****************************************
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in BOSTON Volume 14 Page 225

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
York Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
George Robinson Male 30 1811 Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Robinson Female 40 1801 Lincolnshire, England
Henry Robinson Male 7 1834 Lincolnshire, England
Susannah Robinson Female 4 1837 Lincolnshire, England
George Robinson Male 2 1839 Lincolnshire, England
Demaris Robinson Female 12 1829 Lincolnshire, England
Mary Keal Female 60 1781 Lincolnshire, England

George snr is a Cattle Dealer

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cheyney Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
George Robinson Head Married Male 42 1809 Butcher Huttoft, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Robinson Wife Married Female 51 1800 Butcher's wife Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Susanna Robinson Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Scholar Boston, Lincolnshire, England
George Robinson Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Boston, Lincolnshire, England


First name(s) George
County Lincolnshire
Last name Robinson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1838
Page 275
Baptism date 20 Nov 1838
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) George
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Description St Botolph
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Boston, St Botolph


First name(s) George
County Lincolnshire
Last name Robinson
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1808
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Baptism date 15 May 1808
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Susanna***********
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Huttoft*********************************************
NOTES............................................TWIN

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cheyney Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
George Robinson Head Married Male 52 1809 Cattle dealer Huttoft, Lincolnshire, England
Elizabeth Robinson Wife Married Female 61 1800 - Boston, Lincolnshire, England


Name George Robinson.....................Cattle Dealer
Death Date 8 Sep 1862
Death Place Lincolnshire, England
Probate Date 27 Sep 1862
Probate Registry Lincoln
Probate to relict, Elizabeth

NOTE: Relict means widow

:-) :-) :-)

DOB is as stated on gravestone:

George Robinson
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name George Robinson
Birth Date 14 Jul 1806
Death Date 21 Nov 1890
Cemetery All Saints Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place Nocton, North Kesteven District, Lincolnshire, England
Has Bio? N
Spouse Elizabeth Robinson

Elizabeth was 34 when she married 4th September 1833..........................in BOSTON.
Her age is recorded as they married by Licence, not after Banns

So.................take your pick

First name(s) Elizabeth
Place Boston, St Botolph
Last name Tooley
County Lincolnshire
Sex Female
Country England
Baptism year 1799
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism date 16 Aug 1799
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) John
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Description St Botolph


OR

First name(s) Elizabeth
County Lincolnshire
Last name Tooley
Country England
Sex Female
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Baptism year 1798
Page 266
Baptism date 06 Nov 1798
Record set Lincolnshire Baptisms
Father's first name(s) John
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Description St Botolph
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Boston, St Botolph

Skirbeck was his abode when he married.........NOT his PoB.

1851 and 1861 he says he was born in Nocton

Censuses for this era are FREE on:

https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/

Use it.................it's SO easy!!

How did you find his exact DoB?

There's a photo of Top Lodge here:

https://nocton.blogspot.com/2012/05/past-times-nocton-hall_06.html

and a descendant of George and Elizabeth (Martin Robinson) added a comment in 2013.