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Hi, please help! i don't know the first name of my ancestor only the surname. i can find his wife and children on the 1871 and 1881 census but by 1891 she was widowed. i can't search earlier census as they were married after the 1861 census and all i have for him is his surname. does anyone know how i can search for him another way please?

Why not buy a birth cert. of one of the children.
His name will also be on the childrens marriage certs.

Try marriages on

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Enter the surname and place if you know it...then it is just a case of checking through them

It is free to use the above site.

Actually ;Go on Freebmd enter his surname and her given name,chose the approx year span and area to get her maiden and find her in census before marriage.If it tallies with the 1881 then you have his name.

his first name should be on the marriage index, surely?

what was her maiden name & where did they marry?

thank you everyone, sorry i'm new to the boards and didnt expect such a quick response! i have no idea when they married and can only guess the area.

i will try the website you suggested and if that fails i will order a birth or marriage certificate of one of their children

the only info i have is Matilda unknown b 1842 in soho, middlesex and she died 1920 in Poplar. her husbands name is APPS. its the Apps line i'm most interested in.

thanks again everyone

1871 just for info

Name: Matilda Apps
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Joho, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda Apps 29
Martha Apps 7
Charles H Apps 8 months

For info

Name: Charles Henry Apps
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Oct 1870
Father's Name: Henry James Apps - ship steward
Mother's Name: Matilda Apps
Parish: St Michael and All Angels, Bromley
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex


Name: Elizabeth Harriet Apps
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Jul 1880
Father's Name: Henry James Apps
Mother's Name: Matilda Apps
Parish: St Saviour, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex


Name: William Stratheden Apps
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Jul 1880
Father's Name: Henry James Apps
Mother's Name: Matilda Apps
Parish: St Saviour, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex



Possible marriage
Name: Henry Jaems Apps - ship steward
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Spouse Name: Matilda Strannack Baillie
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Oct 1869
Parish: St Anne, Limehouse
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles Apps - tailor
Spouse Father Name: William Baillie - grocer


Her christening is on IGI

Oh wow! glitter baby - you are awesome!!
i found out the Henry james on the free bmd so this has to be the same one! if it is then Charles Apps and William bailie are my Great great great grandfathers!

oh you really have made my day!!

thank you sooo much

jaclyn xxx

Any member with access to Ancestry could have found the same info.

Hopefully it is correct but not yet found a baptism for Martha

well thank you all the same :-))

what search engines do you use? i would like to find baptisms for more of my ancestors

thank you

you may not find Martha's christening as she was born 6 years before they were married

I've been trying to find Henry James and Matilda together on a census ............... without much success


This looks as though it ahs to be him, as a boy


1851 Census

Name: Henry J Apps
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: City St Michael, Worcestershire, England

Civil parish: Worcester St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Worcester
Sub-registration district: West Worcester

Charles Apps 38 Widower, Tailor
Walter J Apps 15 Errand Boy
Henry J Apps 13 Scholar
Thomas W Apps 18 Nephew, Errand Boy



There are at least 3 trees on ancestry that have Matilda and Martha, and other children ..... none of them have the name of a husband for Matilda!




sylvia

???? from the International Geneological Index on www.familysearch.org. It is an extracted record, aken from the atual parish record


HENRY JAMES APPS Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 DEC 1838 Saint Peter, Worcester, Worcester, England

Parents:
Father: CHARLES APPS Family
Mother: ANN

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C043911 1752 - 1827 0916183 Film 0933467 Film
C043911 1827 - 1836 0916184 Film NONE
C043911 1836 - 1875 0916185 Film NONE





sylvia

wow thanks Sylvia, that is a great help. i think i need to join this ancestry everyone refers to. is it Ancestry.co.uk??

i think the reson that Henry James doesnt show on the census is probably due to the fact he was a ship steward so was possibly at sea a lot.

i think you definately have the correct info here as i know from their marriage that henrys father was called charles and was a tailor

many thanks indeed x

om my gosh thanks again!

you're very welcome



sylvia