Genealogy Chat

Could someone please help me with James Rothe?
Do you think James ROTHE on the 1861 census age 5 is the same as James ROATH age 15 on the 1871 census living with John and Dessey Roath?
Why can't I find the birth of said James ROATH?
Also when I find the birth of John ROATH b 1806 on IGI son of James and Ann how do I know how he fits in with the John ROATH above?
John named his father as James ROATH on his marriage cert in 1857 to Rosehannah Norberry Edith Spinks
Am I being greedy?
I would appreciate guidance please.
cheers,
Jill

I'm still struggling!
Can't find the birth of James ROTHE anywhere.
age 4 on 1861 census
Have looked under every spelling of ROATH/ROTHE/ROTH/ROAF etc/
Can anyone help please?
Jill

Thanks anyway, Maureen,
I need someone to "think" for me as I've been to visit a gin distillery in Plymouth today.
Must close down now
night night
Jill

Maybe let's just mull things over for a few days.

Clearer heads may come up with something. I'm only good for a really simple look up at the moment. (or a nap).....

Maureen

OH MAUREEN!!!
It does make me think!
I was just looking for the birth of little James Rothe (4) who was living with uncle Richard Spinks in 1861 census and wondering about his lineage with regard to Rosehannah - but I can't find him yet.
Now what shall I do? It IS going to get expensive if I have to send for that Bullock/Norbury marriage - and what if it is a red herring?
Jill

Hi Jill,

Happy you got the cert!!!

Not so happy about my further search results. i.e. nothing at all about Stephen or a likely looking marriage.

I did let out quite a groan when I saw this, though:
IGI
ELIZABETH BULLOCK
Marriages:
Spouse: GEORGE NUBURY
Marriage:
30 OCT 1837 Kenilworth, Warwick, England

FreeBMD
Marriages Dec 1837 (>99%)
BULLOCK Elizabeth Warwick 16 632
NORBURY George Warwick 16 632

Let's just ignore them,shall we?

Hope someone else has some bright ideas.

Maureen

Have had a little look for Stephen Spinks but can't find hide nor hair of him nor any marriage between Stephen Spinks and Elizabeth Bullock.
Where should I look now?
Jill (calming down a bit)

IT'S COME!!!
ROSEHANNAH SPINKS born 18th November 1839
Father Stephen SPINKS
Mother Elizabeth Spinks formerly BULLOCK
Living at 41 Court Cheapside, Aston Birmingham
still no sign of where Norberry Edith came from
excited Jill!!!

Deaths Jun 1859
SPINKS Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 67
I saw that one, Selina but also there was
SPINKS Elizabeth March 1860 6d 67
Do I get stung for TWO b.certs to find out?

Couldn't find a marriage for Elizabeth Spinks to any Norb*ry

Have you got Elizabeth Spinks/Norbury on the 1861. I have been looking for a death for her but FreeBMD is playing up at the moment.

Edit:
possible

Deaths Jun 1859
SPINKS Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 67

Son of Stephen, who dies the same quarter and year (maybe)

Births Jun 1845
SPINKS Richard Birmingham 16 355

Where was Stephen Spinks in 1851 (unless that was his death?)

Can't find a birth for George Norbury c1850. That might help matters.

Well, it's solid SPINKS on the marriage cert! BUT -
It doesn't say that Rosennah's father, Stephen Spinks, was deceased when she got married in 1857 so was that really THE Stephen Spinks who died in 1845?
It looks as if the Spinks children all took the name of Norbury on the 1851 census, and then reverted to their birth name when they were older.
Richard Spinks, 15 in the 1861 census ties in agewise with the Richard Norbury in the 1851 census.
Am I going round in circles here?
Jill

So she was still called Elizabeth Spinks in 1857 as a witness at her daughter's marriage. I wonder if she ever did marry Norbury?

Could Elizabeth's maiden name be Norbury?

LOL! Jill,you'll have to win Lotto if this keeps up.

Maureen

OK, OK, OK Maureen - I'll order it tomorrow!
Interesting that Hill ST is very near to Suffold ST where the family lived later - I think so - or it could have been the Roaths.
I'm still looking for the Norberry marriage of Elizabeth after Stephen Spinks died in 1845
cheers
Jill

Hurrah,Jill!!! It looks good!
I like the fact that the Norb*ry gang were living in Hill Street in 1851 and that's where Ros* says she was living on the marriage cert.

Just wish we could figure out where the Norbury name fits in.

I'll scream if you don't order Rose's birth cert.....
Best,
Maureen

IT'S COME!! I was very excited to get the marriage cert of Rosannah and John Roath today. I have been trying to get my ind straight and sort it out with the help you have all given me already and what I know. Here it is:
ROSEHANNAH NORBERRY EDITH SPINKS

birth 1839 Rosehannah SPINKS Aston 16 173

1841 census in Suffolk St B’ham
Stephen SPINKS 50
Elizabeth SPINKS 50
Rosanna SPINKS 2

Birth 13th Jan 1842 Mary Ann SPINKS ch 13th Aug 1842 St Martin, Birmingham

Death Jun 1845 Stephen SPINKS Birmingham 16 2(42)7

1851census Elizabeth NORBURY 45
Rose NORBURY 11
Richard NORBURY 6
George NORBURY 1

M August 10th 1857(cert)
John ROATH 20 Batchelor. Burnisher. Grosvenor St West
f: James ROATH Wire Drawer
Rosannah Norberry Edith SPINKS spinster- Hill St
f: Stephen SPINKS Labourer
Witnesses: William JOHNSON
Elizabeth SPINKS
Birth 17th Nov 1857 George Frederick ROAF
parents George and Rosanna ROAF formerly NORBURY

1861 census
John ROATH 22
Roseana ROATH 20
George ROATH 3
John ROATH 12 mths
Elizabeth ROATH 3 mths

1861 census
Richard SPINKS 15 Head
James ROTHE 4 Nephew
Martha Esson 21

Death 1869
Rosannah ROATH 29 Birmingham 6d 67

M 1870 John ROATH to Dessey SARGENT (who dies as Dessy ROATH)

M 1877 John ROATH to Harriet OAKLEY

I think I have a lot of thinking to do! Two things I should do - send for Rosannah's birth cert and do a mini one name study of all the ROATH family (my grandad's line)
What do you think?
cheers,
one very excited bunny, Jill

I'll elaborate a little more some other time as I have to go out now.
cheers,
Jill

Waiting to see the results of this interesting story

Family stories are so obscure. I have one from my husbands family where a child was stolen but nobody knows who or when

Just a quick thought before I go:
There is a story in the Roath family of one of them being involved in a murder...........
hm
cheers
Jill