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I have found my gg grandfather Thomas Parker, b 1833 in Penge Surrey,on the 1881 census when he was a married man but he doesn't appear on any previous ones as a child. I am trying to find his parents & I thought this would be a good source but..... Can't find his birth cert either !
Can anybody help / I would be really grateful
Thanks
Brenda

HI BRENDA,
MAYBE HE WAS NOT BORN WITH THE NAME SURNAME PARKER,HAVE YOU TRIED LOOKING UNDER HIS MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME IF YOU KNOW IT THAT IS!!!!
JUST A THOUGHT AS I HAVE HAD IT ALOT ON MY OWN TREE

Very good point Bonnie ! Trouble is I can't find his birth cert to find his parents names

what about his marriage cert? That will have his father's name and occupation

Brenda

I searched under Surrey rather than Penge and possibly located Thomas below:

Name: Thomas Parker
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Penge, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: South Norwood
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Parker 38
Ellen Parker 27
Henry Parker 2
Louisa Parker 6

There won't be a birth certificate if he was born c.1833 as registration didn't start until 1837 and wasn't compulsory until 1875.

Kath. x

this is him in 1871
so probably married before 1865
Thomas Parker
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Penge, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: South Norwood
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Disability: View image
Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Parker 38
Ellen Parker 27
Henry Parker 2
Louisa Parker 6

this is the only marriage coming up in Surrey between 1860 and 1867

Marriages Dec 1863

>>Daws Ellen Chertsey 2a 41
>>Parker Thomas Brunsdon Chertsey 2a 41
SHERWOOD Elizabeth Chertsey 2a 41
Smith James Chertsey 2a 41

1861
Thomas Parker
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Penge, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Parker 30 ag lab
Richard Brown 72 boarder

I really appreciate your look- up Esta- thanks but this was the info I found on the 1881 census. Can I find his marriage cert from this info? I expect I could find it on Ancestory but I don't subscribe at the moment.

Hi

The same extracted record is available on IGI as an extracted record

Results for: Thomas Parker [refine search] [Print]
Marriage, England
Spouse: Ellen Daws
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 1
International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. THOMAS BRUNSDON PARKER - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 27 OCT 1863 Pyrford, Surrey, England

Rutland Belle has given you the details to be able to apply for the marriage certificate via GRO

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Daws Ellen Chertsey 2a 41
>>Parker Thomas Brunsdon Chertsey 2a 41

2a is the volume number
41 is the page number

Standard delivery costs £7.00 and will give you the name of the respective fathers of Ellen and Thomas.

Hope the above helps

One of these could be his son Henry - which would give mum's maiden name ...

Births Mar 1868 (>99%)
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Parker Henry Robert Croydon 2a 243

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Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
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PARKER Henry Thomas Croydon 2a 235


Jill

Bear in mind that Ellen was born in Somerset so they may not have married in Surrey.

Jill

The timeframe is right for this one :-

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
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PARKER Thomas Shepton M. 5c 801
Rhymes Harriet Shepton M. 5c 801
SAY Robert Shepton M 5c 801
TRIM Ellen Shepton M 5c 801

I think you need to track down one of his children and apply for that birth cert. Louisa's age is different on the 1871 and 1881 so not sure when she was born - age says 6 on the 1871 and I wonder whether they meant 6months. That would fit with the age 10 on the 1881.

Or should she have been 16 on the 1881 and 10 is a mistranscription?

Henry's birth cert should match Thomas' occupation which would help - and the family lived in the same area from 1871 to 1881 so likely that you might even be able to match the address.

If you send for one of the marriage certs you would have no way of knowing if this was your man or not. Well, you might have his age - but if it said "full" you are none the wiser. Personally I'd go for the child that is your direct ancestor and work back from that.

Jill

This is just a possibility for you when you have his fathers name;

1841 England Census
about Thomas Parker
Name: Thomas Parker
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Croydon
Hundred: Wallington (First Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Parker 40 >>> excavator
Susan Parker 30
Eliza Parker 9
Susan Parker 5
Thomas Parker 3
Joseph Parker 2