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My gggrndmother Jane Youngman B1860 mLuther Johnson.
4 children later Luther dies but she stillseems to haveat least 1 child by him Wilfred b1894 then along came a Miriam (maybe johnson1897 1901census) She then married a Tom Nutter child born1900 named nutter, but the only birth cert I can find for Miriam is Miriam Nutter bmay/june 1901. Anyone have any ideas what all this means

Is this the 1901 census?

1901 England Census
Name: Tom Nutter
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Husband
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub registration district: East Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Household Members: Name Age
Henrietta Johnson 18
Miriam Johnson 4
Walter Johnson 16
Wilfred Johnson 7
William Johnson 13
Jane Nutter 38
Nellie Nutter 8 months
Tom Nutter 30

Rose

Are you looking for Nellie's birth or Miriam's?

Rose

Possible births for Nellie:

Births Sep 1900
Nutter Nella Burnley 8e 178


Births Dec 1900
Nutter Eleanor Burnley 8e 258

Rose

Births Jun 1896
Johnson Marian Burnley 8e 207

Rose

Hi Rose
Yes this is the census, as you can see Wilfred and Miriam listed as Johnson were both born after Luther Johnson's death. It is Miriams birth I am looking for can't find her under Johnson but Miriam Nutter is older than Nella by birth cert and I know thats wrong
Thanks for reply

She was definatly a Miriam

Do I put this down to saving face in that day and age although the time difference between fathers death and childrens birth seems a bit exesive even for that or am I missing something more

OK,

So Luther died in 1889.

Do you have Wilfred's birth cert?

Rose

Any children she had after Luther and before Tom would still have the surname Johnson because that's her surname.

Rose

Sorry no I don't have Wilfreds birth cert, I will send for a copy. I do know Miriams birth was never to be talked about in the family.
Thanks for the help, maybe my next step should be baptisms, that may narrow down Miriam
Carole

I'm not seeing Wilfred's birth either.

Rose

Oh, he's down as Wilfrid:

Births Dec 1893
Johnson Wilfrid Burnley 8e 194

Rose

in the same vein as Wilfred/Wilfrid

.. could Miriam have become Marian???


Births Jun 1896 (>99%)

Johnson Marian Burnley 8e 207





sylvia

Sorry, being new I hadn't realised about differences in names. Unfortunately I have no relatives from this side of the family I can ask. Although I do remember visiting both Nella and Miriam as a small child. I am attempting to search parish records to see if this will clarify
I am grateful for your help
Carole

Carole

You always have to watch out for misspellings and/or mistranscriptions.

Your own name could be Carol for example! Or it could have been transcribed as Carola.


That is one reason why I do most of my searching on part names ...... using the wild card symbol *

thus Wilf* will pick up Wilfred and Wilfrid.

Lou* will pick up Louisa, Louisa, and the very common misspelling Lousia


I would also use Johns* .... to pick up Johnson, Johnston, Johnstone, etc



This becomes more and more important as you go further and further back on the censuses and parish registers ..... remember most of our ancestors couldn't spell (they couldn't even write!!), so they wouldn't know if an official misspelled their name .... and that official was probably only a little more literate anyway!!



sylvia

Just another instance Sylvia's made me think of - my Hurst ancestors were "Hursts" back to 1773 in the church records, but before that - for some unknown reason (change of priest?) they were "Herst" in those records but "Hurst" in 1767 when the "first couple" got married at the other church in the town.

Another really interesting one I came across - what was just Chaddock in one parish record batch on the IGI seems to have split two ways - into Haddock and Caddick. And the popular name Molyneux in that area can be spelt any old way - Mullineux and Molinee being just two!