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The boy Devine had also ‘aged’ a year in transit.

Entirely possible they had birthdays during the voyage, I suppose.

If J Devine did, the birth I suggested is obviously not him.

Jenny will need a few birth certs if she wishes to progress this enquiry.

Hope she comes back at some stage

Either a mistake or a clue?

B Witts was 11 when he left England, but 12 when he arrived in Australia.

Can't see a likely birth, however.

???Just because several of the other children seem to be illegitimate:

Births Jun 1934
Davis Terence J Davis Battersea 1d 605

According to the arrival listing, the boys were going to the Catholic Episcopal Migration, St George's Terrace, Perth WA

???????
Births Jun 1941 (>99%)
Devine Paul J Devine Watford 3a 2139


Name Mstr P Devine
Gender Male
Birth Date abt 1940
Departure Place London, United Kingdom
Arrival Date 7 Nov 1947
Arrival Place Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Age on Arrival 7
Vessel Ormonde

Speculating..........child's birth cert essential
First name(s) Rose
County Hertfordshire
Last name(s) Gillies (Jewell,Devine)
Country England
Birth date 18 Jul 1912
E. D. letter code DEXQ
Birth day 18
Schedule 218
Birth month 7
Schedule sub number 14
Birth year 1912
Archive reference RG101/1645C/019/24
Sex Female
Piece number 1645C
Institutional role Officer
Item number 19
Marital status Single
Line number 24
Occupation Nurse (Assistant Mental)
Record set 1939 Register
Address The Russells Nursing Home Hemel Hempstead Road, Watford
Category Census, land & surveys
Place Watford M.B.
Subcategory Census
Borough / district Watford M.B.
Collections from Great Britain, England, Wales
County Hertfordshire


Marriages Dec 1945 (>99%)
Devine Rose Gillies Watford 3a 3491

Further info re I B Hawkins

Name Ivor Bernard Hawkins
Birth Date 1933
Death Date 26 Jan 2000
Cemetery Centennial Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Pasadena, City of Mitcham, South Australia, Australia


Name Ivor Bernard Hawkins
Record Type Cremation
Late Residence Underdale
Death Date 26 Jan 2000
Burial Date 11 Mar 2000
Cemetery Centennial Park
Cemetery Location Pasadena, South Australia, Australia
Burial Location Services Family/Shrub Bed 6/080


Name Ivor Bernard Hawkins
Gender Male
Electoral Date 1958
Electoral Place North Perth, Perth County, Western Australia, Australia
243, Beaumont Street, Civil Servant

No other person named Hawkins at the address

Re C LEAHY:


Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Leahy Charles Leahy Hendon 3a 700

With these illegitimate births which have been posted (Leahy, Glashen, Bent, Gaughan) , you need the birth certs to see mother's name.

M Salmon, age 6, is C Salmon on arrival at Fremantle.

??? Wild guess:

Births Mar 1941
Salmon Male - Winchester 2c 287

Re K GLASHEEN:


Births Sep 1936 (>99%)
GLASHEN Kevin L Glashen Paddington 1a 77


Findagrave:

Kevin Leopold Glashen Glasheen
Birth
1937
Southampton Unitary Authority, Hampshire, England
Death
23 May 1949 (aged 11–12)
Tardun, City of Greater Geraldton, Western Australia, Australia
Burial
Tardun
Mullewa, City of Greater Geraldton, Western Australia, Australia
Memorial ID
275031401 ·
Kevin Leopold Glashen Glasheen, 12, who had Romany antecedence, was sent to Australia as an orphan in 1947 to start a new life. Whether he was an orphan may or may not have been the case, given the dubious circumstances surrounding Great Britain's deportation of working class children to Australia at the time from state care had little to do with whether or not they had parents or extended families to care for them.

Kevin died a suspicious death while in care, allegedly from a 20 foot fall from a balcony while sleepwalking at 'St Mary's Tardun School'. Run by the Christian Brothers it was infamous for sexual and physical abuse of children they had given charge of, the truth surrounding Kevin's death may never be known.

???

Births Sep 1933 (>99%)
ORROCK Alexander J Mescal Lambeth 1d 293

ORROCK, ALEXANDER JOHN mmn MESCAL
GRO Reference: 1933 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 293


Can't see parents' marriage.

????


Alexander John Orrick
Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave® Index, 1800s-Current
Name Alexander John Orrick
Gender Male
Birth Date 1933
Death Date 12 Oct 1959
Cemetery Allambie Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Albany, City of Albany, Western Australia, Australia
Plot
A Roman Catholic #58 -No headstone

???

Births Sep 1935 (>99%)
Gaughan John J Gaughan Hendon 3a 627

1939 Register
38 Elm Road, Windsor, New Windsor M.B., Berkshire, England
Maria Bent 10 Jan 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 253 1
Marya Bent 12 May 1913 Female Photographic Novel Single 253 2
Thomas Bent 02 Jan 1921 Male Fitters Labourer (Plumber) Single 253 3
Christina Bent 18 Sep 1924 Female Shop Assistant Single 253 4
Alfred Bent 11 Dec 1927 Male At School Single 253 5


1939
Kathleen Bowyer(Bent)
1919
27 Osborne Road, Windsor
New Windsor M.B.
Berkshire
England

Didn't marry until 1966

Although Kathleen isn't at the same address in 1939, she is a sibling of the 'children' there

Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Bent Kathleen Delli Colli Chertsey 2a 99
Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
BENT Thomas Delli Colli Chertsey 2a 134
Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
Bent Christina Delli Colli Wokingham 2c 603


Thomas Bent Head Male 1884 37 Ashford, Middlesex, England General Hawker Own Account
Mary Bent Wife Female 1889 32 Italy Home Duties -
Mary Bent Daughter Female 1913 8 Ashford, Middlesex, England - -
Nellie Bent Daughter Female 1915 6 Ashford, Middlesex, England - -
Kathleen Bent Daughter Female 1919 2 Bagshot, Surrey, England - -
J Bent Son Male 1921 0 Bagshot, Surrey, England

BENT, MARY AGNES DELLYCULLY
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 20

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
BENT Ellen Dallerceller Staines 3a 2

Marriages Jun 1945 (>99%)
Christina Bent married Ramiro Diaz Windsor 2c 1447

Peter's birth cert is essential, of course

FMP (and the GRO index image )shows MMN as BenT..................freebmd have transcribed it incorrectly

???

Births Jun 1941 (>99%)
Bent Peter Bend Windsor 2c 1337

No siblings; no parents' marriage; no obvious later UK history.

NB: He's NOT the child who died in Lancashire in 1943. That child's mmn was Mather.

I looked at that one and reached the same conclusion

In most cases certs are going to be required

Maybe this one ?? I don't see any UK marriage or death record for him, nor any parents' marriage.

Births Mar 1942 (>99%)
Bassford Brian A Bordor Petersfield 2c 355

????
Births Mar 1937 (>99%)
Leahy Charles Leahy Hendon 3a 700

My thoughts exactly regarding the 'Irish' names

BASSFORD

NOT this one - just posting for elimination. He married in Crewe.

Births Mar 1943 (>99%)
Basford Brian Griffiths Crewe 8a 606

Several of the names on the list sound Irish.

If any kind helper wishes to try to assist Jenny, here is a list of names and ages (as at 10 October 1947) ALL MALE

I B HAWKINS 14 ****************
J J GAUGHAN 12***************
*******************************see earlier post

A ORRICK 14
A WOODS 13
P RANDALL 13
T DAVIS 13
A WILSON 11
M WALSH 11
K GLASHEEN 11
A CURTIN 11
M CARROLL 7
B BASSFORD 5.............................'BASFORD' ON ARRIVAL DOCS 7/11/47
P DEVINE 6...................................AGE ON ARRIVAL 7 years
P BENT 6
T CONNOLLY 6
A MCDONALD 6
M SALMON 6
C LEAHY 10
G MCCUE 11
B WITTS 11
W BRADY 6

Wow 1 Thank you, nameslessone, and additional thanks to ErikaH. You've given me plenty to work on, so will do so now typing as fast as I can Thanks again.