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So what was Roberts occupation please?

thanks Gins

I will follow that up next time I am in the records office with access to ancestry

Robert was a farmer originally but described as gentleman at his death owning shares in property in Oldroyd, langfield

Thanks.

Could Haslingden be a possibility?

I ask because there is this John who is a Retired Farmer and at that time, Farmers often ran Inns as well?

1861 census

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Person: LAW, John
Address: 3, Carter Place, Haslingden

LAW, John Head Widower M 78 1783 Retired Farmer Haslingden, Lancashire
LAW, Merenah Niece Unmarried F 35 1826 House Servant Haslingden, Lancashire

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I looked at that one Dea. The only other ones I can find are all weavers or spinners.

I suspect that one is a bit too old

I am beginning to wonder if there is a chunk of census for Littleborough missing as I can't find the other executor Abraham Mitchel(l) either

Might be worth me checking the actual fiches in the record office

thank you everyone for all your efforts

perhaps I will go down the route of trying to find a will of a father for Robert which could be a fair trawl as I have a few possibles for his name!

Mel

you asked for Robert's occupation earlier to which my reply was that he was originally a farmer - he was in 1841 but by 1851 he was a grocer & 1861 retired grocer, in will 'gentleman' by which I assume he means 'retired from working'

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help-and-advice/knowledge-base/census/known-issues

(I was looking on above Ann, but couldn't see anything, probably better to have a good ol' trawl on fiche!)

Chris :)

edits (couldn't find Abraham either, just seen his Probate entry, late of Littleborough, died 1869 Littleborough, (Innkeeper)

Here is a list of counties from The National Archives with the parishes that are missing:

England...

Cambridgeshire – Leverington Hamlet (part of hamlet Parson-Drove missing).


Cheshire – Heswall (Gayton and part of Heswall-with-Oldfield missing).


Durham – Brancepeth (hamlet Hedley Hope missing).


Kent – Goodnestone (reported missing 2002), Wateringbury (part missing, including hamlet Lily Hoe).


Middlesex (including London) – all these parishes are part-missing: Inner Temple, St Bride, St Dunstan-in-the-West (hamlets Cliffords Inn and Serjeants Inn, Chancery Lane are missing), St Gregory by St Paul, St Mary Staining, St Michael-le Quern.


Norfolk – Great Yarmouth (Cobham Island).


Northumberland – Newburn (part missing – hamlets of Black Callerton, Butterlaw, East and West Whorlton, Newbiggin, East Denton, West Denton, Newburn-Hall and Sugley are all missing).


Yorkshire – Marske (mostly missing, including hamlets Redcar and Marske).

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Name: Abraham Mitchell <<<Inkeeper
Probate Date: 13 Dec 1869
Death Date: 4 Nov 1869
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Manchester, England


Late of Littleborough, proved by James Mitchell - Brother (Farmer & Coal Dealer) and Thomas Sutcliffe of Walsden (Grocer & Postmaster)

could not find that in national archives Gins - obviously I am using wrong search

tried yours Chris as well - found that but it might not be complete as I know for a fact that a large part of an area on the other side of my tree in Monmouthshire is missing in 1861 (where ALL of one of my families lived!) and it is not in the list

What cant you find, the probate of Abraham or the missing censuses?


http://www.uk-family-history.com/1861-census.html#What places are missing

that probate looks worth getting the will Gins - thank you

I have a thomas listed in my searches who was a grocer, though I have not tied him in properly as Robert's son Thomas Mitchell Sutcliffe was a labourer

Have a look at this



Name: Abraham Mitchell
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Mitchell
Gender: Male
Where born: Tormorden, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Huddersfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Huddersfield
Town: Huddersfield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Huddersfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 3263
Folio: 48
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Mitchell 41 <<<<Brewing house keeper
Mary Ann Mitchell 39
Mary S Lupton 10
Ellen Lupton 9
Ellen Pollard 28
Charles F Mitchell 1
John T Mitchell 3
John Hodgson 21
Thomas Bilerby 25
James Oliver 22
Michael Reeve 46
William Parker 21
Catherine Poulton 24

That looks like him Ginns!

Silly me !!!!!! - I have been looking in Lancashire insead of Yorkshire ! :-D

Dea Xxx

Release for 2 several sums of £50 charged upon the Oldroyd estate, Langfield FLD/681 24 Dec 1827
These documents are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale

Contents:
Parties: Thomas and Sally Walton, Oldroyd, John and Hannah Law, Littleborough, and Daniel, Robert and John Sutcliffe, Oldroyd

(from National Archives, not sure if relating!)

Chris :)

the missing census was what I meant - I will bookmark that link thanks

I had not thought of looking for Abraham's will

This is great - the furthest I have got with this family in ages. Robert is my OH's gt grandfather

wow Chris - that's brilliant

the marriage I think applies to my John Law is to a Hannah Sutcliffe and Robert certainly had a brother Daniel AND they lived in Oldroyd in 1862

that census looks promising too Gins

Could the occupation of this one be a 'Maltster' ?? (i.e a Brewer?)

1861 census transcription details for: Kilnhurst Bridge, Langfield
Print Close National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 3235
Folio: 59
Page: 30
Reg. District: Todmorden
Sub District: 2 Todmorden
Parish: Langfield
Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Kilnhurst Bridge, Langfield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
LAW, John Head Married M 53 1808 Malsterd Todmorden, Lancashire
LAW, Lydia Wife Married F 49 1812 Todmorden, Lancashire
LAW, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Cotton Weaver Stansfield, Yorkshire
LAW, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 18 1843 Cotton Weaver Longfield, Yorkshire
LAW, John Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Cotton Weaver Longfield, Yorkshire
LAW, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Cotton Weaver Longfield, Yorkshire
LAW, Lydia Daughter Unmarried F 10 1851 Scholar Longfield, Yorkshire
LAW, Amand Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar Longfield, Yorkshire

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