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History of the Army Hospital Corps
Formation: The Army Hospital Corps was raised by Royal Warrant on August 1, 1857, in response to medical service failures during the Crimean War.
Purpose: Its main role was to provide orderlies to staff military hospitals, training them in tasks like the transport of the wounded.
Reorganization: The corps reverted to the name Medical Staff Corps in 1884, but the organization was eventually merged with the Army Medical Staff to form the new Royal Army Medical Corps (RAMC) in 1898.
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As there were no penalties for not registering births before 1875, his probably wasn't recorded.
It may also be that his 'father' was invented, unless, of course, he witnessed the marriage
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I know this is an old thread, and that nobody looks at this board now - but happened to come across it and was intrigued.
Just following it up for my own interest and entertainment!
The 1933 death seems to be correct:
MARTIN, JAMES MELVILLE 73
GRO Reference: 1933 D Quarter in ALDERSHOT Volume 02C Page 259
Image of death cert on an Ancestry tree:
Died 8/12/1933 at The Infirmary, Winchfield.
The informant is an Infirmary official.
James's address: Grasmere Cottages, Aldershot.
Cause of death: Carcinoma of rectum. (Poor man).
1921 - again saying he was born in Yorkshire;
James Martin
in the 1921 England Census
Name James Martin
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Age 60 Years 6 Months
Relation to Head Head
Estimated Birth Year 1861
Birth Place Shipley, Yorkshire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 31 Railway Rd, Teddington
Residence Place Teddington, Surrey, England
Occupation General laborer
Occupation Code 970/8
Employer Royal Air Force Wormwood Scrubbs, Out of Work
Employer Code 702
Number of Children Under 16 3
Inhabited Y
Ward Upper Teddington
Parliamentary Division Middlesex Pc, Spelthorne Div.
Registration District Kingston
Registration District Number 40
Sub registration district Hampton
Sub Registration District Number 5
Respondent Mr J Martin
Enumeration District Name Teddington Ud
Enumeration District 23
Schedule 239
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Martin 60 Years 6 Months Head
Clary Isabel Martin 58 Wife
Dorothy Kathleen Martin 18 Years 9 Months Daughter
Richard Martin 13 Years 3 Months Grandson
Robert Martin 5 Grandson
James Martin 3 Years 6 Months Grandson
By 1939 Clarissa is "widowed", and living with her daughter Jessie and Jessie's partner Ernest F Harrison (they didn't marry until 1942, but Jessie was already using his surname), at Lower Barford Farm, Bramshaw, Hants.
On the other hand, the tree gives him Irish-born parents John and Catherine, living in Liverpool - but without proof, and that John is variously a cooper or labourer, not a seaman.
But anyway, still no birth for James! I suspect he was born in Liverpool, but for some unknown reason (between 1901 and 1911) started saying Shipley.
A tree on Ancestry says the "owner" had made enquiries of both the RAMC and MOD, but had been unable to trace any service record, in spite of James saying he was in the Army Hospital Corps.
But of course, we know that many older service records no longer exist.
Address at marriage was Guards Hospital, Rochester Row.
"Rochester Row Military Hospital, London SW. A specialist venereal disease hospital for 301 men."
https://tinyurl.com/rvswryuj
I can't see any definite record of him before his marriage - though in 1881 he MAY have been a chemist's assistant in Sydenham.
1890 (Alice's & Arthur's baptisms) he was a ticket collector.
1891, he was a Railway Baggage Registrar.
1901, he was a railway clerk.
1911, a traveller (bookseller).
1921, a general labourer.
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I have been researching this James Martin so was interested to see the posts. I haven’t been able to find a birth record for him in Shipley or Liverpool. I do have the marriage certificate 19th April1884 for James and Clarie Isabel Grant.
James was a Sergeant in the Army Hospital Corps living in Guards Hospital Rochester Row. She was residing at 2 Parker St Westminster. James’ father is John Martin, a Seaman in the Royal Navy. Her father was Henry Grant, a Messenger. The witnesses were M Boyle and L Honer.
I appreciate previous posts were made in 2014 but hope that with the extra info from the marriage certificate that someone may be able to find a birth for James or marriage for his father John.
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I think perhaps the James Melville Martin who died in Ohio is a different chap per his burial:
http://goo.gl/Snbczh
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a tree on ancestry has James M Martin dying in 1933
This is their evidence .......................
Name: James M Martin
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Dec 1933
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Aldershot
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 259
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could this possible be his death in the US
Name: James Melville Martin
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 30 Nov 1916
Event Place: Crestline, Crawford, Ohio
Residence Place:
Address:
Gender: Male
Age: 57
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Occupation: Jeweler
Birth Date: 17 Jul 1859
Birthplace: Ohio
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Burial Date: 03 Dec 1916
Burial Place: Crestline, O.
Cemetery:
Father's Name: James Martin
Father's Titles and Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Name: Eleanor Ramsey
Mother's Titles and Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name:
Spouse's Titles and Terms:
File Number: fn 66439
GS Film number: 1983838
Digital Folder Number: 004021400
Image Number: 00015
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the 1911 Census for more information ..... and he now says he was born in Yorkshire :-)
1911 Census
Name: James Martin
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Shipley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Teddington
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 13 Somerset Gardens, Teddington
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Traveller
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 121
Piece: 3574
James Martin 50 Traveller for a Bookseller
Clarissa Isabel Martin 46 b.ca 1865, Windsor, Berkshire
Alice Henrietta Martin 21
Clarissa Gertrude Martin 19
Sydney Martin 15
Charles Victor Martin 13
Bertha Elizabeth Martin 12
May Victoria Martin 9
Dorothy Kate Martin 7
Jessie Martin 4
They had 11 children, 2 died, 9 still living
One of the children who died must have been Arthur Edward, baptised in 1890 with Alice Henrietta
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1891 Census for information ..........................
Name: James Martin
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Clarris B Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Herne Hill
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 415
Folio: 97
Page Number: 40
James Martin 31 Railway Baggage Registrar
Clarris B Martin 28 b.ca 1863, Widsor, berkshire <<<< ?? probably Windsor
Alice H Martin 1
Frederick Dalton 19 Boarder
John Johnston 28 Boarder
James was born about 1860 .................. NOT in the 1870s :-)
it does help to have the correct information :-)
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Two children baptised on the same day in 1890
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Alice Henrietta Martin
Name: Alice Henrietta Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1890
Father's Name: James Melville Martin
Mother's name: Clarise Isabel Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Herne Hill
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- 116 Milkwood (??sp) Road
Father occupation:- Ticket Seller
and
Name: Arthur Edward Martin
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 20 Jul 1890
Father's Name: James Melville Martin
Mother's name: Clarice Isabel Martin
Parish or Poor Law Union: Herne Hill
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers
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hmmmmmmmmmm
he must have been born before 1870 :-)
The marriage was in 1884
Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
GRANT Clarie Isabel St Geo H Sq 1a 853 S
MARTIN James St. Geo. H. Sq 1a 853
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Looking for James Melville Martin born 1870s, possibly in Liverpool.
Wife Claris Isobel Grant.
Possibly a military connection.
Any information welcome.
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