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Tea Bag How do young girls get themselves pregnant? Surely there's a missing substance somewhere?

Goodness Eddie - that's obviously the answer to the problem.

For Christine Spencer, in the 1980s in Liverpool young girls got themselves pregnant so they could obtain accommodation from the DHSS, and then get money to buy pots and pans etc, and even furniture and cookers ! while the father of their child lived elsewhere doing the same thing. 'One big Fiddle'

Eddie ?

TeaBag I support what you say. My late husband was a drill sergeant in the light infantry & he used to tell me how hard he was on the recruites & why. Whithin six weeks of basic training in the fifties those young men could be in a war zone & they had to learn to obey without question. At reunions I attended with him I lost count of the men who told me what a great corporal/sergeant he had been & how gratefull they were to the army for setting them on the right path. Unfortunately yesterdays methods wouldn't work today. As I said on an earlier thread this week, while the PC lobby have the loudest voice & parents are threatened with the law for disciplining their children we are not going to see an end to Yob culture.

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Yes! it can be done Roxanne, parents need to sit down and talk to their children, spend time with them, listen to their problems, encourage them, praise them, not sit there watching rubbish TV, or going out to the pub or Bingo.

I feel that the human rights of children are placed above the rights of adults and they are protected to such a degree by political correctness that they, the kids, no longer recognise any boundaries and grow up in the knowledge that they can do as they like and no one can do a damn thing about it. Parents bring them up to respect no one. Bring back discipline in the home. The army has its share of louts and fails to cure them and few of these anti-social yobs would be acceptable in the fire service. len

How could it possibly have been uncalled for Tea Bag. Did I misunderstand the way you intended your post to read?

bring back the BIRCH!!!!!

To Bendy Wendy, and Mike Chambers, that was uncalled for ! apparantly you don't know what goes on in Liverpool. I could write a book about it . I can't say anymore in case I offend people.

David I agree with you totally. I can never understand why people think National Service solves all the problems? Respect starts in the home. You cannot beat Respect into anyone showing respect to your children you will receive it back from them. Children learn from example. Well the yobs out there haven't learnt respect, and we know why they don't know what it is. It is nothing to do with one parent families its nothing to do with women working it's to do with a yob parent showing a child yob culture because its the only thing that parent ever knew. Pat x

I have just asked my 25 year old son what stopped him from becoming a yob. He says fear. Fear of disappointing his dad and I, and incurring our anger and upset. However, I am sure that, although there are many caring, loving parents whose youngsters have taken a wrong path (perhaps starting with getting 'in' with a bad crowd), there are two main reasons for the current 'yob' culture. No. 1 is poor parenting. No. 2 is poor policing.....these youngsters KNOW that nothing is going to happen to them if they don't behave themselves. Not the fault of the police themselves (in my view), but of the stupid laws that prevent them doing their job effectively. Unfortunately many of us are living in fear of tackling these misbehaving youngsters because the law won't back us up. In my young days it was common to get a telling off from a policeman on the beat or a neighbour, and when your dad found out you got a wallop from him too. I am sick of having to put up with living in a graffiti covered town, with buses and trains having etched windows, with hearing foul language from groups of youngsters on the street, broken glass on the pavements and in the park, litter dropped everywhere, globs of spittle in the streets, and the general attitude of young people. And these kids are going to parent the next generation!!! Perhaps a spell of National Service would be a good idea...it might instil discipline,and a pride in one's country, and in oneself. Other than that, bring back the stocks for the little hooligans! Dee x

I don't think NS has anything to offer the world personally. People seem to forget it was only around for just over a decade. People had respect for others before and after it. Respect should be a part of parental teaching - I don't know what the answer is when the parents don't do this but I don't believe NS is the answer.

I say 'Yes' and I am going to reveal just who I am, I am an ex Army Drill and Weapons Instructor, and Army PT Instructor. It was my job to train 40 young lads to become soldiers in six weeks. I had lads from all walks of life, with various family and girlfriend problems. They were a right mixed bunch, but all decent lads deep down. After training I would sit with them and talk over their problems in the barrack room, I wasn't their NCO I was one of them. It all paid off, because on passing out parade they were all different lads, they would shake my hand and say 'thank you' Corporal. They even introduced me to their parents who were amazed at the change in their sons, That was when I knew I had done a good job.

As a parent I taught my children respect and manners and am proud of the result. Where I live now children are taught to respect their elders..and they do.... they all say goodmorning or whatever and call me Miss Jacquie!!!! or the really young ones call me Auntie. Its lovely. There a lot of one parent families here too but most of those children are raised by their grandparents. Jacquie

I think what Tea Bag is saying - and I am not putting words into anyones mouth - is that most of the problems come from one parent families...not those who become one parent families through no fault of their own - but one parent families that are created - young girls wanting a place of their own - have a child, get one.....one night stands with no protection....lots of reasons...........divorce is the least of these..

Just another point....a vast majority of men living on the streets, homeless...are ex members of the Army...

Is that your family circumstance Tea Bag? Please don't be ashamed of the way your parent had to earn her living. At least she did it to give you a start in life.

Hi everyone We have had this discussion on here a few weeks ago .I was one of the ones that was called up for national service they didn't teach me respect and how to behave that was done at home by my parents the army taught me how to obey orders and how to defend my country atime i enjoyed very much but i don't think i would have wanted some of the so called rabble as my support in places like Korea or Kenya with the terrorist around well thats my view now i am going back to hide Howard