General Chat

She's more financially sound than lots of couples who are married and working full time. I believe her relationship has been going for a couple of years now, being married does not mean automatic stability, the number of divorces prove that. She's also 21 now which means that she became pregnant (is there a better way of putting that) when she was 20, the same age I was when I was pregnant with my first, not a teenager flitting from relationship to relationship by any means.

I think what I am trying to say is: What message are they transmitting to their fans, who probably are young teenagers. ''Its ok ? go and have fun and if you get pregnant.So what?'' doesnt matter if you can afford it? or if you actually have a partner after the event??'' I may be old fashioned but ideally,my norm is, a stable relationship, financially sound, marriage and THEN starting a family.... Thats the way my mum n dad did it,, her sisters and brothers did it, me and my brothers, and my wife and her sisters did it!! Bob

Just because people don't get married doesn't mean they aren't committed to each other. Many of our ancestors didn't get married either until after having children. At one time people used to declare themselves married by jumping three times, one way, over a brush.

'Why oh Why' indeed - i.e. why is it 'news', why is it anyone's business, and why do I want or need to know about Charlotte Church's private life? I wish her well, but have no interest in her life.

Whats so wrong about it?? Marriages break up too,I think it a very ,very personal thing,I wish Them both every happiness.

I think that, if a couple are in a stable relationship, then ok, although marriage is preferable. What I do object to is that all the tv progs these days seem to advocate that casual 'relationships' (for want of a better word) are the norm. Am I really that old-fashioned to think that an immediate physical relationship is not right? Angela

If 2 people are committed to each other enough to plan a child, why are they not committed enough to get married - what is wrong in getting married?

Have to say, glad I was married first, I may be old fashioned but perhaps it's the whole ideas of what's hip and what's not that have made this world what it is today. Yes stuff has been going on for all time and sometimes maybe not for the better but on the whole I think people need stability and construction in their lives. That does not mean to say that I would not support my children if they needed help ie as in pregnancy. I don't condemn anyone either ie as in religion. I try to keep an open mind on most things but when I think back to life in my school days, things were safer somehow janet

for me i think marriage would mean to make a commitment.im glad my husband and i chose to marry.x

Nothing changes. Just found a marriage for one of my relatives in 1891 2 years after the birth of their first son and while she was 7 months pregnant with the second. I really don't think it matters a toss whether the couple are married or not as long as they want and love the child. Jean x.

i still like the idea of marriage.kind of seals things for me.xx

Interesting...the expression 'up the duff' derived from plum duff or boiled pudding.....doen't sound too attractive for what is mostly a joyous experience. Can't see how any of that twaddle matters in this day and age. On the whole, I believe my son is delighted he was born on the 'wrong side of the blanket'. lol BC

Love and commitment is surely just as good as a bit of paper? A bit of paper can be torn as can any marriage vows.........

I thought that was old fashioned now Bob......my first granddaughter was born and is 4 months in their wedding photos....and my daughter's baby will be 4 months old when she gets married in December......both babies were planned, and they are very happy about it.....as am I..... Strangely enough, my son who got married in August, and his wife have been trying for a family since then, and have had no luck.....

I have to agree with David. Charlotte Church is 21, financially stable and is currently in a relationship with the baby's father. The only difference to them not been married is that the solicitors will not get a load of money if they split up. Joan pmsl

Hey according to my tree half the victorians managed to do that as well .......LOL Joan that was good pmsl Jac

It would only be a bad example if she and Gavin didn't have the money to pay for the child's upbringing Gwynne

Oh that's why she is looking podgy, I thought it was food/drink lol Marion

I think they can't cope with fame etc look at Britany Spears. I wonder if any of them are really happy.

JOAN!!! Absolutely hilarious............why didnt I think of that!!! Bob