General Chat

Even the toys advertised on tele are designed so the children amuse themselves, teach themselves, they seem to deliberately exclude adult participation. Hope i'm wrong though.

I did read, with those in nappies, that progress in disposable nappies contributes to the problem. With old disposables and with terry nappies when the child was wet or soiled it was uncomfortable. Now if they are wet they don't feel it because of the 'stay'dry' nappies.

As for parents sendin children to school in pants when they are not trained., I suppose they don't stop to consider the embarrassment of that child and the damage it does to their self confidence. I know when my little granddaughter started school and had a couple of accidents (and she was trained) she was very upset about it and started not wanting to go to school.

its shocking the number of parents who tell you they ARE toilet trained and send them in pant, when its blatently obvious they wernt, :-| been there cleaned it often

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I was going to mention, when my two started school, it was a pre-requisite that they be able to use the toilet on their own. In fact, I believe it was the same for their playgroup once they progressed from Mother & Toddler group.

So how are these parents getting away with not meeting those pre-requisites?

As for the state of children's teeth, I have a theory on that one. Many parents have to be both out to work these days, and therefore are not there to control what they eat etc...and also probably give in to the child's screaming 'I want I want' far too easily through guilt maybe? Trying to compensate?

This probably accounts for the lack of toilet training too, parents simply aren't there to do it, and it's not in a childminder's remit to potty train children, any more than it is a teacher's or playgroup leader's remit.

Dont' get me wrong,I'm not slating working mums, not at all, I know many have to work out of necessity, they have mortgages to pay etc etc and the cost of living is so much higher, as are expectations, than when I was bringing up toddlers.

I have just read the srticle and find it so sad that the children are missing out on so much. One didn't know how to hold a paintbrush, imagine what he has missed by not painting with his parents. Apparently some parents barely talk to their children, no wonder they can't hold a conversation. Some are falling asleep because of being up too late. And one little girl who still drinks her 'fizz' from a baby's bottle (she is five) has all her teeth so rotten she can't speak properly. Poor little soul, she must suffer with that. Apparently it has taken ages and pressure from social workers to get her Mother to make a dental appointment. The no potty training is a minor detail compared with some of the problems. But what sort of teenagers, adults are these babies going to make? what about their children, 15, 20 years down the line the problem will get worse if nothing is done now.

Imo the little girl with bad teeth is being neglected. Surely some pressure to look after her should be brought on the parents?

It's hard to believe and when I read it earlier my jaw just dropped . I also watched the Protecting our Children programmes and was stunned at what I saw.
I remember when my daughter started playschool 25 years ago they all had to be out of nappies.

Thanks for that Mildred.

I'm sat here just shaking my head.

Where on earth is these parents pride or self respect.??? :-0 :-0

Poor kids. :-(

Whats the Odds on Hayley Having some "Display" Nappies ???? :-D

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"Does it happen often that you have a child that isn't toilet trained etc Mildred...or is it mainly the special needs children where they need the extra help ????"
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Its the first time I've been aware of any child who has not been toilet trained at all at school starting age. :-(
Also to add the child never wore a nappy to school as the school refused to accommodate the child with one.

Sadly in this case it was due to poor parenting skills. The child even though SEN, trained really quickly with the help of the LSA, as quickly as any other child.

All it needed was a little effort from the parent who sadly left it to others to do despite regular meetings beforehand in the transition from nursery to school.

Lots of littlies are coming in at just turned four, due to just having a Sept intake. So you do get the odd expected accident even from toilet trained kids which is expected & dealt with.

By the time a child starts school (severe SEN or disability aside) they should be able to use the toilet & deal with their own personal hygiene afterwards. They should also be able to drink from a cup unaided, and should be able to self feed using at least a fork or spoon..

Theres nothing more rewarding in watching children manage life skills, and I remember my son (almost 17) on his first day at pre school age 2 and a half. It was his taster day, and I will always remember him along with the others, spread his bit of butter & jam on his toast for snack by himself . :-D
I remember the countless trips to empty the po, after potty training finally clicked, and the round of applause each time :-D

now it seems some parents just think everything should be taught by the school instead of taking responsibility themselves. Added to that they miss the joy of experiencing their kids triumphs that many of us have had :-|

:-| come ready or not

:-S "sharpens claws"

Yes I noticed that bit too DET....that it was all scales of the social spectrum doing this.

Have they no shame !!!!!!!

Yes we know Stray you was always in and out of your litter tray ....Meeaooow lololol :-D :-D :-D :-D

:-S ladies i was a good girl,

That's awful....and the article written by the teacher does stress that the homes are *not* all from a deprived council estate. Play groups, nurseries or other community organised pre-school groups are available to most, if not all children, regardless of income.

Poverty does not preclude the ability to play with your child, or to provide them with books from the library to look at together. Counting out cutlery when putting them back in the drawer or the number of plates needed for a meal cost nothing.

One would have thought that the children of the quoted high earners would have been more concerned about their childs development. However, that could have been left to well meaning but undervalued au pairs of foreign extraction.

A friend accompanies a Reception teacher on home visits in a deprived area. She too was shocked seeing 50 inch plasma TV, loads of DVD's, but no toys or books in sight. Electronics are the new babysitters!

Like Muffy, I'm not aware of reception classes children being still in nappies. However, at the pre-admission group parents meeting for one of ours, one mother was concerned that her daughter wouldn't get her early afternoon nap. At the age of 5????

Does it happen often that you have a child that isn't toilet trained etc Mildred...or is it mainly the special needs children where they need the extra help ????

I'm really shocked by this I have to say ! x

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IMHO its laziness of the parent/s,in most cases. Even with one special needs kid I have seen the LSA toilet train him/her within a few weeks of repeating toilet trips every 30 mins.The child also started drinking from a cup with no trouble after previously only drinking from a bottle.

Its not the teachers nor TAs place to teach a child to use the toilet or drink from a cup.Its taking them away from educating the rest of the class.

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You said Stray was 14 Joy..lololololololol