General Chat

These spiteful kids grow up to do more than kill animals sometimes, I am sure. I know a lot of it can be peer pressure from their 'friends' but look at the ages of many younsters who stab others of different colour, race, or gang members, they are so young! A young woman is facing a charge of murder in Gt Yarmouth, she is 17 I think without checking back and the lad was 20 or 21(?)

I think the parents are to blame, they don't bring their kids up to be polite (such as the insolent child at the zebra crossing) and they certainly don't encourage them to caring. Too full of kids rights these days and many parents just churn out offspring and let them bring themselves up, out of sight, out of mind is the rule they live by and as long as they get their benefits and can while away the hours with their friends calling round, they don't care what their kids are up to. You see it on these programmes where the Housing officers have to go round and remonstrate for the noise problems etc that are caused by the mothers, let along the kids!

Maybe some of the new rules that appear to be coming in will make the youngsters think again about producing so many children, usually by different fathers each time, when they haven't got so much money to collect each week. Even if they still don't devote time to the children there might be fewer of them up to mischief. I know it isn't all single parents to blame and two parents don't always do a good job either. There was a prog on the other day called The Scheme, from Kilmarnock in Scotland. Said the parents had been alcoholics but had stopped drinking and were trying hard to keep their daughter on track but the sons, well I think one was in jail already and the younger one who I think was around 15 or 16 was in trouble with drug dealers, staying at his girlfriend's house (she was under age I think - had a single mother) and got the girl pregnant, and I think he was already in trouble with the Police. Somehow the single mother had bought her house, so was selling up and moving but then seemed to disown the daughter for getting pregnant! Yet she had allowed the boy to stay at the house to avoid the drug dealers....... she also took in other people who were in trouble and then wondered why the neighbours called the police about the noise and such!
Crazy sad old world.

I can't imagine what goes through the mind of the people who maim and kill cattle and horses but it makes me sick to the stomach. As for the idiots killing the duck and ducklings, and the ones who killed the hedgehogs, well I would like to march them all into a field and make them stand there while they were beaten and hurt and unable to defend themselves. Nasty people, not fit to live among decent folk.


Sorry rant over, so glad there are many many good caring people too but I think things have gone so far now we will never be able to get the balance right again.

Lizx

I can only agree because I can't read much further.

oh Julia - that story has sent a cold chill right through me!!!

We had a horrible story in our local paper a few weeks ago where a farmer had gone out to check his cattle in the evening and had found someone had stabbed a 3 day old calf through the eye with a screwdriver, the screwdriver was still in its eye and the mother was licking the calf trying to get it up but it was already dead. made me feel sick, we have cattle and other animals of our own and It terrifies me to think that I could go out what day and find a scene like that.

also in yesterdays local paper 6 hedgehogs found in a local park apparently killed with a cross bow and then set out in a line next to the hedge.

some people are just horrid and dont deserve to walk therstreets with civilised people, if they can do that to animals they may well move on to worse in the future.

Julia (In Cambs)

Unfortunately some of these yobs who do get an ASBO wear it with pride like a badge. Unbelievable.

Ann, and Rita my blood boils reading these accounts of cruelty.
Seems there are some very cruel kids about but equally some kind ones like your son Ann and Liz's, and the ladies in Ritas car who take action against the yobs and show kindness to people in difficulty.

I was cross with a lad in school uniform this week. Leaving Asda car park I stopped at a zebra crossing on Asda land to let him cross as he stood at the crossing. He didn't move but fiddled with something in his pocket. I pipped my horn and beconed him to cross. He looked at me and said said (my window was open) I'm not crossing I'm getting this. Holding up his ear pieces to a music device. I said don't stand there then. He just replied I'll stand where I want! I would have taught my kids to cross at a zebra not stand at the kirb messing about. Kids now seem to know there is no way anyone can do anything to stop them carrying on how they want at other peoples anoyance.

Ann....well done to your son in both cases, but he must be careful!
Lets hope the letter is published and BBC Wales take it up.....good idea to let the other's know too. Might be worth letting any local animal charities know incase they have had injured Gulls etc brought in, they may have been injured in the same way !!

Keep us updated and take care:o)

jude x

Anti social behaviour orders can be issued to children over the age of 10

But the kids do not seem to worry about being issued with an ASBO

I am not a fan of mobile phones but on this occasion I wish, if I had been there, that I had one to record the little ********

what a lovely caring son you have too Liz - nice feeling isnlt it to have brought up a very caring child

Rita - that is a dreadful incident - and they were not children were they - how sick the depths to which some human being can sink

Liz, that is definitely a son to be proud of.

Now how about you and I try to get rid of some of the accumulation of years before we become like that old lady?

Huia.

Well done Ann and your family for taking a stand against this cruelty. I know how good you are at getting letters to the paper, so others are informed. I hope the local parents will question their children and make sure they punish them if they are found to be involved, but sadly these days too many children are indulged far too much by parents and grandparents so they get away with murder, as in this case. When they are older it could be a person being bullied and losing their life.

I often watch a programme early in the mornings called Wildlife SOS or similar and recall them caring for a hedgehog that had been kicked around by kids. Luckily it was rescued and it gave birth to healthy young ones who mostly all grew up big and strong.

It's hard to imagine a child being so cruel but as said before, many grow up on a diet of violence and bullying from computer games and tv and no guidance given by parents as to the right way to live and let live.

Hope the cctv camera caught their every action, evil little beggars.

Nice to see you posting and nice pic of your son.

Thankfully my son is caring too. The other evening he rang me quite late to ask what I thought - he has a single lady as a neighbour who is in her 70's as are two other neighbours. This lady has hoarding problems like me and lately the Housing Association have sent someone to help her clear her flat a bit, for safety's sake mainly. My lad told me she kept going to the rubbish area and bringing back stuff after the helpers had gone home, bless her. I can understand how she must have felt.
Anyway the other two ladies had asked my son if he had seen M, as her light hadn't been on all day and evening. My son was due to go out to a friend's for a meal but knocked on M's door and eventually she opened it. My lad asked if she was ok and she said yes but wanted to chat, son had to say he was in a rush and left.
On his return he saw M, she had just come back from her daily trip to Sainsburys which is just round the corner, she goes late to get the bargains. She said could she vent to my son, of course he said yes, thinking something had happened to annoy her at Sainsburys. She told him she had had the chap out of The One Show in her house and sometimes he is in her loft! My son was concerned, he asked which one and took her into his flat to show her the prog. presenters on his computer (this was at 10.30pm) She was amazed that he could get the info on the computer and pointed out Matt Baker. Son suggested the sound of the programme might be coming up from the downstairs flat as he has heard loud tv from his downbelow elderly neighbour but altho she said it might be, she still insisted Matt had been in her lounge and her loft space. She said If you see him around, you will know he has been to my flat. My lad managed to calm her and said he would watch out but he then rang me to ask whether I thought M was going senile? I did suggest he contact the Housing Association who are helping her but he doesn't want to do anything that might end up in her being moved to a home. She values her independence but only has friends, doesn't seem to have family and I don't think she has had children. She used to visit friends in America a lot but can't afford it now so she is quite a capable lady or has been in the past. She chats to me if I see her in Sains. or on the stairs to the flats and I like her. I was pleased my lad was so caring of her and took time to listen and try to help her.
He is going to keep an eye on her and see how she goes, if she seems to be getting worse he will have a word with the H.A.

Lizx

Ann

Sorry that you have been involved with your family in such an awful event. Time was when only very disturbed youngsters would behave this way but not now. They are fed a diet of tv, games and dvd's where violence and cruelty is the norm. Even our tv adverts portray uncaring behaviour to get the message across.

The only way to help redress this sort of behaviour is by what you and your family did and I hope your efforts see these children reprimanded. I despair.

Vera

Hi Ann,
What a horrible thing for these 'chldren' to do.

Many a time, when my children were younger, I would find myself (through their pleading) feeding a fledgling through the night that had been rescued from one of our cats - even baby pigeons - and I can't stand pigeons!!!

As for reporting it to the RSPCA - from experience, they're not interested unless they can either prosecute or get some publicity (which sounds like they can get both from your letter).

I will keep you informed - I'm usually pretty lucky in getting my letters printed in our local paper

Ann that is just so disgusting, words fail me. Hope your letters get some results.

still seething over this so I have just reported it to the RSPB and the RSPCA and if anyone else can think of anything else, let me know!!!!

We've had 2 reports recently on our local news - one a while ago about someone killing swans (not a child) and, more recently, a big increase in injured ducks and ducklings at rescue centres (being kicked, deliberately run over etc. - some were kids, but not all).

Sick. I'm sure the motivation is showing the images on media sites - WHY?

You only have to look at some of the stuff that has been banned from YouTube (and the comments) to see what motivates some people.

Fingers crossed Anne. With regards to your son's previous case. Sadly I fear that it might not be thrown out of court now as so many people are prosecuted for similar things. Having said that a couple of cases recently have been thrown out so maybe the tide is turning back to the days of common sense again I hope so.

Good for your daughter in law I hope she gets somewhere with the school.
I can't understand what kind of people get their kicks by behaving like that and filming it on a mobile phone. It beggars belief.

I just hope the local paper prints it - and that BBC Wales takes the story up - they seemed interested when I spoke to them this evening, so fingers crossed!! my daughter in law is ringing the school tomorrow to see what has been done about it