General Chat

No,i can't really verify it,but it does make sense of why there is a george swallow wiggins registered 1841?

Intriguely both illegimate ancestors may have been cousins,only i have come across a case (sister of my granmother)where both of her illegimate children were also cousins supposedly(they also were cousins of my grandfather!)

well if you're happy with it Paul, I guess that is all that matters.

METHINKS YOU CANT VERIFY ANY OF THIS SO IF YOU ARE SERIOUS YOU WILL PUT FATHER UNKNOWN,,ONE SIDE OF MINE ARE BACK TO THE 1600
BUT
1800..MY GGGGRANDAD IS THE ONLY ILLIGITIMATE ONE,
FATHER U/K

Thomas/samuel wiggins mother was baptised 26 november 1764?.
His father i believe is a swallow,so I spotted on igi a swallow baptised 26 november.
I figured that was similiar to his wife.
It makes sense to me.
I should point separately that perhaps20-50% of baptism were properbly same day.
(based on basing parish register 1760-1780 approx)

Paul how do you know 8 months 1 week if you don't know for certain the date of conception ???? :-S

I don't think either sarah lockley/thomas/samuel wiggins was full term(thomas/samuel wiggins was 8 months,1 week).

Allan mentions gravy,is that a place in hertfordshire?

ah I see , so lots of serving wenches in your family :-D

I suppose that might work in very small villages, and as long as no one from outside the area happened to be passing through on 'the' night... drovers, tinkers and the like :-)

but I don't think as a general rule it works, it's also supposing that every baby is full term, and exact to the day.

one theory i have is they meet while celebrating their birthdays down the local tavern.
They is the question of whether this is unique,i suspect they are other case like this..

Slightly different,if a sibling of a mother of an illegimate child marries someone around the same time,then that person might be related to the father of the illegimate child(admittely doesn't follow)

Me too Sue :-D I conceived on the 6th Jan' and that has no significance whatever lol :-D

err no Paul...you're relying that they 'celebrated' the father's birthday by ...how can I put this... people did have sex on other days too you know lol...not everyone waits for their birthday or a special occasion

Blimey Rose, I have been doing it wrong all my life :-( :-( :-D :-D

Well now I am feeling sorry for my father....There is a 17 yr gap between my sister and me. :-D

His birthdays must have been very dull....and she arrived 11mths after his birthday..!!

err no Paul...you're relying that they 'celebrated' the father's birthday by ...how can I put this... people did have sex on other days too you know lol...not everyone waits for their birthday or a special occasion ;-)

or am I still not getting what you mean lol

Simply put,i worked out that the act of consetion(sp?) took place on the parents birthday/baptism day,so providing a clue to father's identify.
is that simple?
clever me?

Well, have to admit that when Hannah Evans (widow with 2 children) had a lodger (one Samuel Douch) in the 1851 census, and in 1861, Hannah Evans had 3 children, lodger still in situ, I got the birth cert of Mary Anne Evans (child No. 3 - my ggg grandmother) and noticed her full name was Mary Anne Douch Evans - I guessed who the father was!!!!

I must stop drinking before I read this thread. I did it a year ago too!

Edit.... must stop drinking.... it was a week ago!

ooooer Paul, I am still at a loss :-(

Firstly IGI records are only as good as the information supplied and I have found glaring errors on there.

I don't understand how you can speculate re the parentage based on baptism dates (unless you have more info or I am reading it wrong).

I have gaps in my trees where no father is named and without evidence in black and white they will stay as gaps. Frustrating though it is it does mean my trees are as accurate as possible.

Sue

:-S still I'm afraid. It's evidently too complicated for me to grasp.

Let me explain martin lucas/ann lockley baptisms were on december 3 1766/1771.
3 december falls approxiametly 9 months before 28 august(1793) when sarah lockley was baptised.
Now in her husband case(thomas/samuel wiggins),he was supposedly baptised 3 july, wheras his mother was supposedly baptised 26 november which falls approxiametly 8 months,1 week before 3 july,i wonder if like sarah lockley,the parent baptism date might also be that of the father.
About a month ago,i looked on new igi to find richard swallow bbaptismed 26 november 1774? headington(thomas/samuel and sarah did register a george swallow wiggins in 1841?).

There are other possible ways to trace an illegimate child father where no records exist.

RR

I'm not sure how my mind works :-D

Must be the Aussie sense of humour coming out :-0