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HAVE MONKEYS LEARNT TO TALK??????????????????????/

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Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 11 Sep 2008 00:10

LOL

I think they have gone to bed. Not everyone is a night owl and the night shift may not be on yet!

Sue
x

CMD

CMD Report 11 Sep 2008 00:04

Has everyone left the building then?
thats another thread I've killed......
I'll turn the lights out then shall I?
goodnight everyone.

and remember what peace there is in silence..
we are all a child of the Universe..
xxxxxx
EDIT
Whoops sorry thought you had all gone......
I agree..... I have seen some terrible misunderstandings...
That why sometimes i give the boards a miss....If i am not in the right frame of mind....and may come across as weird or whatever.... My life is very stressful at the moment... so just come and go for awhile...I must be honest...I just catch the 'tail' end of a lot of arguements...so cannot judge who or what was right...or wrong.
I'm off to bed now...
take care...
xxxxxxxxxx

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 11 Sep 2008 00:02

Thank you cmd :)

I suppose it is so difficult on the Internet to discuss as we would face to face.
We can't see the expressions on people's faces nor hear the inflections in their voices.

We don't really know most of the people we "meet" online (though I have made some very close friends on the Internet).

I try very hard to read everything I post several times before sending it to try to be fair and clear but from time to time we all fall out with others if we are regular posters.

Each of us has a right to an opinion and our own beliefs but adding to an open forum we mustn't be surprised if others have alternative ideas.

Toleration is the important thing BUT if a poster puts forward a view that seems incredible or ridiculous to others (such as the David Icke view that the Queen is an alien lizard!) then no-one should be surprised if anyone puts their own view over forcefully.
It then becomes a heated debate and it is down to who can make the most convincing argument.


Sue

CMD

CMD Report 10 Sep 2008 23:48

Dear Sue....
I know from your postings that you are very well informed, and knowledgable....as I know some others too are.......who are regular posters....
I look forward to people like you sharing your knowledge....and yes there have been times when I have looked at things from a different angle, or perspective....
It can be science...religion..Health, day to day things...
I have seen sorrow...tears ...compassion... prayers...encouragement...laughter.. all sorts on theses boards... a little bit of true life...a little bit of 'fairy tales'...

We are all each others Teacher....and each others Student....
It would be good to visit and leave a thread having learned something...having given something.....
our world would be a better place....If we treated everyone as we would like to be treated......
regards cmd xxxxxxxx
dont mean for this to sound mushy...but cannot spell half the words I would like to have used.....lol

maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 10 Sep 2008 23:35

Apes have learnt to communicate using language. Maybe not speech as we know it - but there are humans who can't communicate using words - the deaf, those with learning difficulties who communicate using Makaton ( a simplified form of sign language) etc.
Here's just one example of an ape communicating:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?
storyId=5503685

Evolution takes thousands of years - give apes a chance!!!

TaniaNZ

TaniaNZ Report 10 Sep 2008 23:32

unfortunately though its just one of those topics LOL

Eldrik

Eldrik Report 10 Sep 2008 23:31

I've always enjoyed debating but the polarised opinions make it difficult at times.

It is impossible when the debate is turned into name calling and mud slinging towards people instead of addressing the topic. Sadly, that is the norm here, it has to be said. It's refreshing when it doesn't happen though.

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 10 Sep 2008 23:28

I quite agree cmd

Debating is usually interesting and discussing a topic often makes people realise what their own beliefs are.

It isn't often possible to change anyone's mind in a debate if they are already convinced of their own opinion though. That can then lead to unpleasantness if their entire life is based on that belief.

Sue

TaniaNZ

TaniaNZ Report 10 Sep 2008 23:18

cmd im fine,and not in the least bit upset
I just believe that if someone is having a good wind up they should at least be honest about from the outset,then hopefully the people that truely do get incredibly emotional about a topic will see it for what it is.
LOL Sue I think you are quite right

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 10 Sep 2008 23:18

But it does give us all something to have opinions about...........lol........nothing on here actually changes the way I think about the world and life in general...........but it is interesting to see the opinions of others.

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 10 Sep 2008 23:13

Oh he enjoys starting these sorts of threads or sneaking in his same old repeated dogma into what looks like a totally innocent topic.
He then wanders off to presumably watch the mayhem from afar.

Till the next time.

Sue

CMD

CMD Report 10 Sep 2008 23:12

Calm Down everyone.....

There is room for everyone......
just be tolerant....

xxxxx

TaniaNZ

TaniaNZ Report 10 Sep 2008 23:04

You know what colin,i have spent ages trying to figure you out and Im not getting anywhere so i must ask,are you really determined to post these threads until everybody conforms to your way of thought or do you post them knowing (as we all do because we have seen the last couple of days)they will cause an enormous row.
Perhaps if it is the latter you could add a little note to the bottom stating this so that people know from the outset.

Running Bear

Running Bear Report 10 Sep 2008 22:02

evolution rules OK

Eldrik

Eldrik Report 10 Sep 2008 21:57

My favourite argument for the creationist theory is here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbt0yIW6nT4&feature=related

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 10 Sep 2008 21:42

Oh it goes on and on.

With monotonous regularity we get these attempts at decrying modern science and showing little understanding of how it is not simply evolution which would have to be wrong.

For creationists to believe what they do they have to ignore the discoveries of astronomy, astrophysics, particle physics,biology, genetics, geology, palaeology, archaeology and paleoanthropology to name just some I could think of. All different branches of science and not some vast scientific conspiracy against creationists.

The Theory of Relativity would have to be wrong, all the galaxies and stars in the sky would have to be much much closer than they are and DNA results useless.

Sue

SheilaSomerset

SheilaSomerset Report 10 Sep 2008 21:32

I find it a little strange, if not disturbing.

Rambling

Rambling Report 10 Sep 2008 21:29

in point of fact...apes CAN recognise 'our' language...just because they don't 'speak it'' does not mean they are not 'evolved' or intelligent (set against a lot of people I know they certainly are lol)

now I know that was not the point at issue....

that is once again, 'Creationism' versus 'Evolution'...

and I say as I have said before that in my opinion the two are not mutually exclusive...I have no trouble in reconcilng both :) anymore than I have trouble watching a painter who starting out with a blank canvas, paints a picture...and then improves upon it...it all starts out with the basic materials :)

obviously one may not believe in the existence of the 'painter' but if you have the painting to look at and you find beauty in it and wish to treasure it....does that matter?

xx

Sue in Somerset

Sue in Somerset Report 10 Sep 2008 21:12

You never give up do you Colin.

Your last attempt at a sneakier dig at evolution ended in a very heated debate.

Monkeys are primates, apes are primates, human beings are primates. We share a common ancestor (long extinct). As in family history the branches split off in different directions and at different times. Some branches are closer related than others.

You could do with learning more about DNA and how modern research is revealing more and more about how it all fits together.

I have mentioned before, and can only suggest once more, that you would find the books by Sean B Carroll illuminating.
"The Making of the Fittest " is one of the clearest explanations of the latest discoveries which I have read.

Please read this excellent review and get a copy of that book from your library asap.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/feb/02/featuresreviews.guardianreview3

Sue

Amanda2003

Amanda2003 Report 10 Sep 2008 17:13

Well said there Kitty .........you are spot on :)