Genealogy Chat

If the fact that the family had a servant is the only thing putting you off this family, then please remember that anyone who could afford it had a servant of some sort in those days - including what we would call 'working class people'. Servants were dirt cheap, and even cheaper if they lived in - annual salary in London in 1901 for a Maid-of-all-work was £10, about half of this in the Country and even less sometimes if the girl was related to them! This appears to be quite a large family and I dont find it surprising that they have a servant, however humble their lives. Hope this helps. Marjorie

I agree with you.Until you have pinpointed his birth, there is no point. When you have, andhis parents are both named on the cert that you obtain it MIGHT be worth refereing back to this, depending on his mothers name. Keep it somewhere until that time Francis Botton abt 1835 Crosshill, Northumberland, England Mother-in-law Elswick Northumberland Ada J Elliott abt 1887 Newcastle Upon Tyne Daughter Elswick Northumberland Christopher C Elliott abt 1846 Whitteg Bay, Northumberland, England Head Elswick Northumberland Christopher C Elliott abt 1882 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Elswick Northumberland Frances A Elliott abt 1879 Newcastle Upon Tyne Daughter Elswick Northumberland Henry Elliott abt 1884 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Elswick Northumberland Mary Elliott abt 1857 Newton, Northumberland, England Wife Elswick Northumberland William J Elliott abt 1892 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Elswick Northumberland Ireina Shephand abt 1883 Gateshead, Durham, England Servant Elswick Northumberland ------------------------------------------------------------ if you are asked for the RG ref to look it up again this is the info you need; Source information: RG13/4772 Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Folio: 78 Page: 38 ...usually abbreviated to (in this case) RG13/4772 F78 P38 Household schedule number: 247

Folio of Christopher Elliott, with sons Christopher and William number 78 County Northumberland, district Elswick. the only reason we dont believe it is them is because of the servant, but i guess until i get my g'dads birth cert its not worth worrying. I too believe she wasnt born in 1901, this would make sense as to maybe why she wasnt yet married either. the 'Kent born' Anna sounds promising as that is where her aunt and uncle lived. Thanks for all your help so far, im sorry i have been so vague.

Robyne Trying to locate Anna, so far have Anna Osborne abt 1885 Deptford, Kent, England Daughter Deptford St Nicholas London Anna Osborne abt 1883 Wortwell, Norfolk, England Servant Kensington London Anna W Osborn abt 1889 Hampstead, London, England Sister Hampstead London I am presuming that Anna would be younge as there was no father mentioned on the birth certificate. She may have been born after the 1901 census. Victor

so if you found an Ernest Elliott on the 1901 census with a father Christopher it is NOT going to be the right one, servant or otherwise, because he wasn't born! What AGE does it say he was on his marriage on his marriage cert? WHEN did he marry? ------------------------------------------------------- births Ernest Elliott 1901 ELLIOTT, Ernest 1901 December Births York East Riding of Yorkshire North Riding of Yorkshire North Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire ELLIOTT, Ernest 1901 December Births Bury Greater Manchester Lancashire ELLIOTT, Ernest 1901 June Births Ecclesall Bierlow Derbyshire West Riding of Yorkshire ELLIOTT, Ernest 1901 June Births Chorlton Lancashire ELLIOTT, Ernest 1901 June Births Whitechapel London Middlesex Elliott, Ernest 1901 March Births Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire Elliott, Ernest 1901 September Births Rotherham Derbyshire South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire Elliott, Ernest 1901 September Births Alton Hampshire Elliott, Ernest 1901 September Births Atherstone Leicestershire Warwickshire ..... and that is only those without second names. Did he Have a second name that you know of?

my g'dad was born in october 1901 so im pretty sure he missed the census, but i could be mistaken. On 1837 i found a birth in Lancester which i think could be him as its around the Newcastle area ( i believe so anyway) Will have a look at Ancestry again to find the folio number to try and help

So in 1901 we need to look for a Christopher Elliott, with a son Ernest, born 1901 You say there were two brothers too and that you have found a match that you think is wrong (because of the servant). Where were they?( prefere the RG no if you have it) because i cannot find them at the moment When/Where was Christopher born? When you say on the marriage cert it says that Ernest was born 1901...Does it? ...or does it say aged....

Am going to try again to see if i can make it clearer and with paragraph breaks too! On wedding cert- Bride - Ethel Violet Osborne b 1916, Father listed Alfred Osborne but this is her uncle we think. Groom - Ernest Elliott b1901 Father listed Christopher Elliott. Birth Cert of Ethel Osborne- Birth place - Twyford Lodge, Willesden. Work address of mother Anna Osborne - 30 Winchester Avenue, Willesden. Im sorry, i think im just too keen and need to learn how to break things down first!

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so please tell us what the info on the marriage cert was! his name was......... Brides name was........ when where his fathers name her fathers name

The birth cert i got for my g'dad was wrong so i need to order a new one if i can find him, so im only going on the father information on the wedding cert for him. my nans is bizarre because there is no father listed as we expected, but where she was born is a workhouse infirmary for the poor. my g'nans work address is listed but because i have no name of the employers i am unable to find it on 1837. sorry if im too confusing.

Robyne Your post is if nothing else full of none information. When were these people born? Where were they born? Where do you think they should be living? Who was Christopher married to? Is the Workhouse anything to do with the people listed? If you can give more of the details above maybe we can help you. Victor

I am very confused as to where you are expecting this family to be in 1901 what is the mother to the children called please How can a birth cert be 'vague..?' Jess

Hi What information is on the birth certificates? Sam x

OK so my g'parents birth certs couldnt have been more vague, so please could anyone see if they have any info about the following. 1901 census - Father is Christopher Elliott, sons are Ernest and also Christopher and William. I have found one, but that family had a servant and we dont believe ours did as the wedding cert said Christoper Sr was a labourer. Also in the Newcastle/Lanchester area. Willesden Workhouse infirmary/Twyford Lodge in Willesden. Preferably where i can get info on patients and children born in 1916 Alfred Osborne lived in Kent (we think, possibly married to a Ruth Osborne) worked as a farmer. Both Alfred and Christopher Sr died before 1957. Think thats all, any help would be greatfully recieved.