Genealogy Chat

Abraham Rose born Germany c1841 I have him on the 1871 and 1881 census in 57 Oakley Road Islington the 1891 census 10 Kenmure Road Hackney , but cannot find him or wife Susan on the 1901 census really need to find his death as he changed his name by deed poll and I am hoping there is some ref to it on his death cert thanks a lot . Of course I could have missed them again but dont think so thanks I have looked on 1837 between 1891 and 1911 I know some of you helped and found him on the 1891 for me thanks a lot but I am desperate to find his death

was he Born Rose, or was that his 'new name'?

that is his new name I believe it was Guttenberg which he changed by deed poll when he was quite young before he got married anyway

because the wine has gone to my head, i've done a lookup on Family Relatives 1891-1920. It is much quicker and cheaper to use than 1837online, for reasonably unusual names, up to 1920. There are the Abraham Rose death reg's. Nothing looks good - the indexes are supposed to be complete. Maybe he lived to over 80 and is hiding in 1901? No Surname Forename(s) AAD District Page No Event Quarter Year 1 Rose Abraham Blackburn.8e 351 Death 1 1895 2 Rose Abraham 74 Lancaster.8e 1128 Death 1 1915 3 Rose Abraham 54 Leeds.9b 356 Death 4 1903 4 Rose Abraham 77 Lincoln.7a 305 Death 2 1897 5 Rose Abraham 60 Liverpool.8b 73 Death 2 1906 6 Rose Abraham Henry 2 Liverpool.8b 44 Death 3 1900 7 Rose Abraham 46 London City.1c 1 Death 3 1905 8 Rose Abraham 83 Mile End Old Town.1c 522 Death 1 1914 9 Rose Abraham 84 Newport Pagnell.3a 495 Death 4 1907 10 Rose Abraham Northampton.3b 29 Death 4 1907 11 Rose Abraham 74 Peterborough.3b 259 Death 1 1920 12 Rose Abraham 64 Wellingborough.3b 137 Death 2 1920 13 Rose Abraham 7 Westminster.1a 316 Death 2 1902 14 Rose Abraham 18 Whitechapel.1c 158 Death 3 1907 15 Rose Abraham 79 Whitechapel.1c 222 Death 1 1907 The entries with no age will be aged ''0'' Sarah

Could this be Susan's death: Name: Rose, Susan Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 60 Quarter: March Year: 1900 District: Pancras (1837-1901) County: London Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 68 nell

sorry to sound a bit thick but which bits are the ages please thanks a lot for looking

On Family Relatives it goes, Surname, Forename, Age at Death, District etc (see the headings at the top of the list above!) Sarah

thanks Helen that looks like her death right age and area

thanks a lot Sarah do you have to subscribe to that site???

Valerie I did a search of all first name Abraham males aged 60 +/- 2 years born Germany, and the only one that looked even vaguely likely was this one, partly because the address is Hackney and partly because Joffe could just about be a mistranscription for Rose, but perhaps your Abraham had become a British citizen: Abraham Jaffe 60 Germany German Subject London Hackney Property Agent Is it the right occupation, what do you think? Maybe someone with Ancestry sub can check him out and see if he is a widower and if the image could be Rose? nell

Checking for Rose born Germany I found these, any connection? Henry Rose 58 Germany German Subject London St Mary Stratford Bow Shoe Maker Carl Rose 59 Germany London Camberwell Watchmaker nell

thanks you are so kind you lovely people but afraid that isnt him he was a Top Hat Maker and had a general store in Islington I understand he came here and changed his name some time after it does say British subject on the census

Valerie/nell Ive checked details for 'Abraham Jaffe' on ancestry, surname on Image reads Jaffe and he is married to Hannah! Lib

thanks Lady oh well another day tomorrow goodnight

Valerie Of course, if you order the Susan death cert (if it IS her) it will state whether she is wife or widow on it, so you will know whether Abraham died before or after 1900. nell

Helen why didnt I think of that , thats probably why you are helping people more than me I have a lot to learn I will order it today thanks again