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have a female Morgan mothers maiden name Robinson September 1953 Cleveland 1B 837 on one page have a Frances Morgan mothers name Robinson Cleveland 1B 837a on another page would they be twins and does it mean one was dead at birth or died soon after thanks

Thanks for your reply ,that means buying both certs I didnt want to do that at the moment , as I am not sure these are my lot thats why I was asking if they were probably twins , seems strange one name is written on the bottom of the page the other is printed

The one without a name may well have died shortly after birth. If she was born dead she would have been recorded on the stillbirth register. Have you checked to see if there is an infant death shortly afterwards? nell

hi Helen no not yet think I will go to bed and look in the morning , this is too addictive. goodnight and thanks

There is a death ond quarter 1953 which could be the baby Linda K Morgan age 0 CLEVELAND 1b 605. This is the only 0 year old in the JAS or OND quarter in Cleveland Deborah

I found the baptism and burial of baby twins in a parish register of 1862. I knew the probable father but as I hadn't found his marriage, I wanted his wife's maiden name. When I wrote to Herefordshire for the birth certificate of one of them, I sent a short note saying I was wanting to establish the mother's maiden name and whether the boys were twins. When the certificate came, the compiment slip had written on it.... N.B. Daniel was one of twins. Maybe you won't have to buy both certificates either.

thanks Deborah that must be her and thanks also Gwyneth hope thats right

The fact that one of the page numbers is 837A suggests an amended entry to me, perhaps a name added. I have in my lot Thomas CONE 10b 661 Thomas COAN 10b 660A I'd guess that minor amendments can be made without much fuss (ie written in the margin) but when it comes to adding/changing the actual name, that's another matter.

Dianne Just to clarify - a stillbirth is where the baby is born dead. There is no birth or death certificate, and until 1927 there was no record at all. After 1927, stillbirths are on a separate closed register, only accessible by parents or siblings of the stillborn child. A baby born living, but which later dies, will have both birth and death certificates. My husband had an elder brother who died at 2 minutes old. His birth and death were registered at the same time and I have both certificates. nell

You're right Nell. I wasn't concentrating as I was cooking the tea at the same time. I shouldn't have written the word stillbirth. However, my reasoning for answering the query was that twins can be found on separate pages. Dianne

hi all thanks for your suggestions I too have been cooking and boring things like housework.

I thought if the number was the same of the page but with an 'A' (ie 837 and 837a) after it, it would be an amended certificate, either the name was wrong or they had to correct some incorrect detail on the cert. But I could have my wires crossed here! Kim

you could be right Kim ah well

I have an entry for twins, a boy and a girl Born dec 1953, 5a 640 the boy, Born dec 1953, 5a 641 the girl, they both died same quarter. Died Dec 5a 510 Bob

isnt that sad Bob !!

Yes it is,Valerie, but I was illustrating that there were two pages covering the births......turn over the page, I should think......unfortunately twins ran for a while in my lott, and none of them survived..... times were 'Ard, and conditions not good........ in fact, of twelve births to one mother, (pre 1900) only four individuals survived to make families of their own...... and in the next generation to another mother,of nine births only five survived Bob