Genealogy Chat

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I am looking for one of her marriages (if there ever was one to this fella) John POOLE. My great great grandfather. This flippin womans been married more times than I had hot dinners! lol I have her last marriage cert of 1882....to a John HORTON b1850 and she was on cert as Matilda Poole (widow) with a Poole daughter as a witness.(my great grandmother Emma) 1st POOLE child was born c1866, so assume thats about the year of marriage. Last POOLE child born c1880. Matilda was born c1837 Wednesbury staffs.Dont know her maiden name.(thats another story!)Father, James Parkes 'deceased' on Horton marriage cert. John Poole was born .1833 short heath staffs.(thats around Walsall area too) so! to sum it up....marriage of a John POOLE to a Matilda......wotshername? around the year 1866...PLEASE ps..I havent found any regs of births to any of the Poole children either. Could they get away with this? She had a 'thing' about key/lock smiths....wish she'd send me a key to unlock this little lot! Sorry to be a pain......yet again Gerri.

Could this be a possible... Marriages Dec 1871 Cartlidge Matilda Wolstanton 6b 149 Lees John Wolstanton 6b 149 Parton Betsy Wolstanton 6b 149 Poole John Wolstanton 6b 149 Georgina.

There is an earlier marriage for a John Poole but one of the bride's is missing.... Marriages Mar 1862 Duckers Eliza Wolverhampton 6b 565 Poole John Wolverhampton 6b 565 Vickers William Wolverhampton 6b 565 Is this Matilda on the 1861 census? Ann Maria Hoston abt 1861 Short Heath, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Charles Hoston abt 1859 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Son Willenhall Staffordshire George Hoston abt 1836 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire Matilda Hoston abt 1838 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Georgina.

Gerri I think I am confusing myself here, you said she married John Horton in 1882 but on the 1872 census (when she is a Poole) she already has Horton children so did she marry 2 different Horton Men? 1871 census... Abel Horton abt 1857 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Stepson Walsall Staffordshire Chas Horton abt 1859 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Stepson Walsall Staffordshire Emma Poole abt 1867 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire John Poole abt 1833 Shat Reath, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Staffordshire John Poole abt 1859 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire Matilda Poole abt 1837 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Staffordshire Sarah A Poole abt 1860 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire Possible marriage to George Horton.. Marriages Mar 1856 Horton George Walsall 6b 673 Powell Matilda Walsall 6b 673 Swift Susannah Walsall 6b 673 THORNEWELL William Walsall 6b 673 Georgina.

Matilda Powell in 1851.. Able Fletcher abt 1791 Willenhall, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire Mary Fletcher abt 1791 Bam Thelers, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Joseph Person abt 1837 Atherstone, Staffordshire, England Apprentice Willenhall Staffordshire Matilda Powell abt 1838 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Niece Willenhall Staffordshire Will Veale abt 1832 Shareshill, Staffordshire, England Apprentice Willenhall Staffordshire Thos Vichers abt 1834 Shareshill, Staffordshire, England Apprentice Willenhall Staffordshire Georgina.

Yes she did! well she was WITH two Hortons 1st one was I think George Horton c1833....then John Poole c1833 then John Horton c1850. 1871 she had 2 step sons...chas and able Horton. Chas 1859 abel 1856 while with John Poole. I have both birth certs of Horton boys. Certs say mother was Matilda POWELL.....not Parkes as was stated on her last marriage to John Horton.

Thanks for trying Georgina but it's 1.30am. I'm tired and reading all sorts into this now....I cant see the wood for the tree's. Think I best get to bed and check this in the morning. My prayer for tonight... Before I lay me down to rest... may the lord find me my Matilda a birth,divorce or second best a marriage would be nicer. Was she a tart or the midlands bike or was she just being smart I hope she diddnt marry another bloke and his name turned out to be MIKE! lol Till tomorra...or today even! Gerri x

I think I have TWO Matilda's.... One Matilda(Matilda Powell) was married to George Horton and they had two sons..Chas and Abel. Then somehow Chas and Abel end up living with John and Matilda Poole nee Parkes as step sons! Oh I give up! I hate this hobby! I'm going to take up...knitting instead. :-((( Another sleepless night.... Gerri x

if you have details and want certs I'm happy to go to Walsall RO and check, they look up marriage ones while you wait to see if they have a copy, and I'm getting to know the lady behind the counter well :)

Went to bed....couldn't sleep....got up again... Ordered this cert...1856 (we have plastic! we must have money!) lol if only 'himself'knew what I get up to at this time of night! lol Horton George Walsall 6b 673 Powell Matilda Walsall 6b 673 Swift Susannah Walsall 6b 673 THORNEWELL William Walsall 6b 673 Watch this space...ETA 13th April Thanks ever so much Georgina also Linda for your kind offer. BTW...I also have the name 'white' in my tree. Ya never know!.....;-) Gerri x

Gerri I can see how Matilda is driving you mad. I thought I had worked it out Matilda Powell married George Horton in 1856. Then she has children with John Poole (cant find a marriage yet) Then she married John Horton. What is confusing me is that on the 1871 census some of the children are obviously John Poole's from a previous marriage Because there is a John Poole born 1859 & Charles Horton born 1859..... Abel Horton abt 1857 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Stepson Walsall Staffordshire Chas Horton abt 1859 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Stepson Walsall Staffordshire Emma Poole abt 1867 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire John Poole abt 1833 Shat Reath, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Staffordshire John Poole abt 1859 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Staffordshire Matilda Poole abt 1837 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Walsall Staffordshire Sarah A Poole abt 1860 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Staffordshire What is confusing me now is Sarah A Poole born 1860 above was with her grandparents on the 1861 census...(well I think it's her) 1861 census.. Francis Cartlidge abt 1836 Bartlem, Staffordshire, England Son-in-law Burslem Staffordshire Louisa Cartlidge abt 1841 Audley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Burslem Staffordshire William Cartlidge abt 1860 Bartlem, Staffordshire, England Grandson Burslem Staffordshire George Lightfort abt 1807 Audley, Staffordshire, England Head Burslem Staffordshire Mary Lightfort abt 1807 Audlem, Cheshire, England Wife Burslem Staffordshire Sarah A Poole abt 1858 Bartlem, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter Burslem Staffordshire If you look at the name CARTLIDGE, there is the marriage I found earlier for Matilda Cartlidge to John Poole???????? Cartlidge Matilda Wolstanton 6b 149 Lees John Wolstanton 6b 149 Parton Betsy Wolstanton 6b 149 Poole John Wolstanton 6b 149 This is probably all wrong so I'll appologise if I have confused you even more. I think I am too tired to understand all this. Georgina.

Thinking..... Matilda Powell married G Horton 1856 Matilda Cartlidge married John Poole 1871 Matilda Poole married John Horton 1882 If this is the same Matilda, how did her name change from Horton to Cartlidge?? A - she married between George Horton and John Poole Free BMD doesn't really help - 1865 looks a good bet but needs research. Do you have any death certs for Husbands? Best of luck Peter

Matilda Cartlidge would perhaps be the sister of Francis - so extended family. The Cartlidge/Poole marriage was in 1871. Perhaps John Poole married her first and then when she died, he married the newly widowed Matilda [nee Lightfort] formerly Horton!! Keeping it 'all in the [extended] family'. Victoria

good luck Gerri, hope you find Matilda, you don't want to be related to my White's have my own Matilda except she is named Hannah no marriages just somehow produced 9 kids!

1861 Ann Maria Hoston abt 1861 Short Heath, Staffordshire, England Daughter Willenhall Staffordshire Charles Hoston abt 1859 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Son Willenhall Staffordshire George Hoston abt 1836 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire Matilda Hoston abt 1838 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Wife Willenhall Staffordshire Heres Abel Horton on the 1861... Abel Fletcher abt 1788 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Head Willenhall Staffordshire View Record Harriet Hall abt 1843 Hartshill, Worcestershire, England Servant Willenhall Staffordshire View Record Abel Horton abt 1857 New Invention, Staffordshire, England Nephew Willenhall Staffordshire I have been looking for a death of Matilda Poole nee Cartlidge.....NOTHING! The Matilda Cartlidge that married John Poole 1871 was born, I think......b1852. That means that she was only aged 14 if she's John Poole jnrs mother! and aged 16 when/if she had Sarah. ....and WHY cant I find any birth regs of any of the Poole children? John Poole c1866 Emma Poole c1866 Sarah A Poole c1868 Mary J Poole c1880 I cant find any deaths either of any of the husbands! Maybe she buried em all under the patio.... Off to work now to earn cert money...... Thanks everyone for all your help. Please feel free to help yourself to headache pills. Gerri x