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The information I have from the marriage cert is: Malcolm Henry Orr Profession: Platers Helper Residence: 6 Emily Street, Hull Father: Francis Orr - Dock Labourer The marriage took place on 19/02/1914 at St Marys Church, Sculcoates

The marriage certificate is at home so I'll have to have a look again tonight and post again when at work tomorrow. And I'm going to grill my aunt later as to the Irish thing! Birkenhead is near Liverpool I think (my geography isn't great either so I might be wrong). But then this would make sense with what my aunt has mentioned. Apparently Malcolm came from County Mayo and mover to Liverpool then Hull. Maybe it did happen like that but just a generation or so further back. Wishing I had started this when my Nan was alive! Fingers crossed these are the right people.

Above is RG12/4306 Folio 100 Pg 4 Area is Cockermouth,which is Cumbria Glen

There is an Irish born Francis in Workington,living with an uncle and aunt named Jordan. His occupation is a bricklayers labourer,and born in about 1872 Glen

Maybe that's why I can't find them in 1901? They went to Ireland (Or Scotland as Orr seems to be Scottish)? I think getting the birth cert is the only way to go backwards. We can make educated guesses, but (as I've learned from experience) they are not always correct.

I found a marraige between Francis Orr and Jane A Costello on Yorkshire BMB for the same year. I'm following some info my aunt gave me. She believes that Malcolm was born in County Mayo, Ireland but after finding a Malcolm Orr and Francis Orr on Yorkshire BMD I'm thinking they didn't come from Ireland (I've searched a few irish sites and cannot find a mention of either of them!) So do I take a gamble and get the birth cert for Malcolm from Yorkshire BMD? I'm pretty sure that Francis and Jane will be the parents but how do I prove that it is the correct Malcolm in the first place?!? Maybe I have overcomplicated this and the answer is staring me in the face!!

1891 Francis Orr,22 year old Barman,born in Jarrow,living as a boarder in Jarrow. Nothing any closer to Sculcoates that i can see. What occupation has Francis got on Malcolm's marriage cert? Glen

On Malcolm's marriage cert., what is the occupation of Francis?

Hi Kimberley Have a Francis Orr married to a Jane Ann living in Birkenhead on the 1891 census, my geography of that area is not 100% but don't think it's too far away. Sculcoates is now split between Hull and East Riding districts. I have the image from the 1891 if you want it private message me with your email addy and I'll send it. Had a look can't find a Jane Ann on the 1901 either. Regards Looby

iN 1891 there is a Francis Orr and Wife June Ann living in Birkenhead - she came from Hull and may have returned home to give birth

I can't find Malcolm or Francis in 1901 or Francis in 1891. There are hardly any Orrs in Sculcoates.

Think this one could be mistranscribed,the only Malcolm is Cheshire born,in the first 300 results anyhow. Glen

Hi Does Malcom have any siblings older than him? Then the 1891 can be checked if so. Kate

Kimberley Believe this may well be the marriage ref for Francis; Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COOPER Martha Ann Sculcoates 9d 323 COSTELLO Jane Ann Sculcoates 9d 323 ELLIS George Albert Sculcoates 9d 323 MALARKEY Annie Elizabeth Sculcoates 9d 323 Orr Francis Sculcoates 9d 323 Could be worth having a look at the 1891 census to see if you can work out who he married. Regards Looby

Hi Kimberley Can't see them on the census, but believe this could be the ref for Malcolms birth: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Births Mar 1894 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Orr Malcolm Sculcoates 9d 175 Think Sculcoates is the right area for you - at least this would give you mothers full name. Sorry can't see it on census at all. Regards Looby

Hi Would someone be able to do a 1901 census look up for me please? I'm having a nightmare with my great grandfathers parents! I know his father was Francis Orr (From Malcolm's marriage certificate) but having trouble locating his mother. Hoping it will be on the Census Info I have. Malcolm Orr b. 1894 Father: Francis Orr Location: Hull Any help will be appreciated :o)