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hi all my rellies in 1851 John Proud abt 1794 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Head Walsall Foreign Staffordshire James Proud abt 1815 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Mary Proud abt 1819 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter-in-law Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Lousa Proud abt 1838 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Phebay Proud abt 1840 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Jane Proud abt 1846 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Daughter Walsall Foreign Staffordshire Samuel Proud abt 1850 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Walsall Foreign Staffordshire I was assuming Louisa,Pheobe, Jane and Samuel are James and Mary's children but then someone did a 41 look up for me to find John the father's wife 1841 John Proud 45 plater Mary 40 John 15 Louisa 3 all born in county Census 1841 TNA Ref HO107-0983 Image No 389 Folio No 11\13 Page No 18 Entry No 21 Location details County STAFFORDSHIRE Superintendent Registrar's District WALSALL Registrar's District THE BOROUGH Enumeration District No 11 Parish WALSALL City WALSALL Township THE FOREIGN OF WALSALL Place WINDMILL Household Number 2571 which has Louisa as Johns child. I can't find a birth ref for either Louisa or Phoebe to order certs to find out which one was the daddy HELP Linda

thanks Roy, I wish it were that simple and you could claim parentage of all my wayward rellies Linda :)

Did you see the 1851 image? could James actualy be John No i am wrong Roy

I thought 1841 didn't give relationships. She could just have been staying there. Liz

I've printed the 51 imagine, definately says John as head and James as son.

do you want the 1841 of James James Proud 25 plater Mary 20 Phoby 1 all born in county Census 1841 TNA Ref HO107-0983 Image No 400 Folio No 11\23 Page No 39 Entry No 1 Location details County STAFFORDSHIRE Superintendent Registrar's District WALSALL Registrar's District THE BOROUGH Enumeration District No 11 Parish WALSALL City WALSALL Township THE FOREIGN OF WALSALL Place LITTLE LONDON Household Number 2672 - doesn´t answer your question but might help to sort out one family!

thanks again Elaine, that does help a little bit . I am now assuming Louisa is Johns daughter and Phoebe is James'

This looks like Louisa´s death certificate - I wonder if it might help in any way ? Louisa Proud Birth Date: abt 1838 Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 29 District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 372

and Phoebe´s marriage would give fathers name Phoebe Proud Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 717

with civil registration being a new thing it may be the births were not registerd. Roy

thanks Elaine. I have Louisa death ref, and Phoebe's marriage ref. But wanted Phoebes father to put for a checking point Linda :)

This looks like the birth registration:- Phobe Proud (that's the way it's spelt in index) Sept. qtr. 1840, Walsall, XVII, 237 Kath. x

ooooh Thank you Kath! That's brilliant! why didn't I see that? her name is spelt differently every time it's recorded Linda x

Linda, Just looking at the information that you have/been given, I think that Louisa is staying with her grandparents for the 1841 census. The registration district etc is the same and the household numbers are only about 100 apart - could be up one side of the street and down the other.