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Below are the parent of Ann Phillips on the 1841 census, also showing is Ann's christening. Now can anybody, please, please, please, find Ann on the same census. Ann Phillips Christening: 14 SEP 1828 Willenhall, Stafford, England Parents: Father: John Phillips Mother: Mrs. Elizabeth Phillips 1841 census Court 2, Horseley Fields, Wolverhampton Staffordshire John Phillips abt 1791 Staffordshire, - Key M ? ( Hay M ?) Elizebath Phillips abt 1786 Staffordshire, Cathrine Phillips abt 1816 Staffordshire, David Phillips abt 1821 Staffordshire, - Pedlar Edward Phillips abt 1826 Staffordshire, - Pedlar John Phillips abt 1831 Staffordshire, William Phillips abt 1833 Staffordshire

This is for folks like me who have trouble reading the GR-garbled header messages, hope you don't mind: Original Added by Lynda Banner on 09/05/2006 14:12:42 More confused then ever-can you help please Below are the parent of Ann Phillips on the 1841 census, also showing is Ann's christening. Now can anybody, please, please, please, find Ann on the same census. Ann Phillips Christening: 14 SEP 1828 Willenhall, Stafford, England Parents: Father: John Phillips Mother: Mrs. Elizabeth Phillips 1841 census Court 2, Horseley Fields, Wolverhampton Staffordshire John Phillips abt 1791 Staffordshire, - Key M ? ( Hay M ?) Elizebath Phillips abt 1786 Staffordshire, Cathrine Phillips abt 1816 Staffordshire, David Phillips abt 1821 Staffordshire, - Pedlar Edward Phillips abt 1826 Staffordshire, - Pedlar John Phillips abt 1831 Staffordshire, William Phillips abt 1833 Staffordshire Christine

I think the lads might be 'PUDLERs' (or Puddlers) rather than PEDLARs I think it's to do with metal working in some context. Possibly mentioned on a thread already somewhere. Christine

Lynda - is the baptism from the IGI? The reason I ask is that it is usually 'submitted' entries that say the mother is Mrs ... You may need to check the detail in the actual records to be sure of it. As for where she is in 1841. If she's still alive she is old enough to be somewhere else as a servant. Some of the 1841 census is so faint its impossible to read and she may be on one of those pages. Anne

Do you have evidence of her being alive later? or could she be this one (too early for age to be given) Death: Name: Ann Phillips Year of Registration: 1840 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Wolverhampton County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands Volume: 17 Page: 267 or, indeed, any of the other ANNs whose death was recorded before the 1841 census. Otherwise, at 12-13, she could have been in service somewhere. Christine

What about the one living with a family in Penn, Staffs as a FS (female servant)? You would have no way of proving it I'm afraid. Anne

All I know about Ann is that she was alive in 1843, when she gave birth to her son thomas. Yes, her christening was from the LDS site, but it has been checked.

Penn is certainly within range of Wolverhampton. Christine

So was she only 15 when Thomas was born? Have you found her in 1851 to confirm the age? Anne

snap!! found one as a female servany living at Tower penn Lower lane Staffs household William Stubbs Jordan (looks like!) age 40 farmer. John Holston 18 Ag Lab George Phillips 14 Ag lab Mary Neason 25 FServant Ann Phillips 15 F Servant All of this county ref HO 107/996/16 Shirley

Is this the one in Penn? PHILLIPS ANN F 15 STAFFORDSHIRE LOWER PENN LOWER PENN PENN STAFFORDSHIRE If so does it tell you the famiuly she worked for?

lynda, see my posting she was working for a farmer

Sorry - posted a message on the wrong thread: Had hoped to copy-paste, but the Copy didn't ''take''. Really must go back to work! Lunch hour over. Christine

I think that is Ann, working for the farmer. Yes, I think she was only 15 when she gave birth, no can't find her on the 1851, only have her son's birth cert. to go on.

Although Ann was christened in 1828 she may not have been a new born at the time. The 1841 census (if that is indeed your Ann) gives the age 15 which could have been rounded down so anything between 15 and 19. So Ann may have been rather older than 15 when she gave birth.

This is what I tried to C-&-P earlier... Is this William on 1861? - a brass caster: Source information: RG9/1993 Registration district: Wolverhampton Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 100 Page: 7 Household schedule number: 39 GSU Number: 542899 William Phillips abt 1832 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Head Eliza Phillips abt 1833 Tettenhall, Staffordshire, England Wife - might be worth following him through the censuses, to see if Mum comes to stay? Christine