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Suggestion re "a uncle with surname Loveridge"

Possibly an honorary "uncle"? Maybe a second cousin or similar?


Starting from Minnie's partner, going by DOB stated in 1939:

SMITH, LEONARD mmn WOODHAM
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BRADFORD ON AVON Volume 05A Page 127


Lenord Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name Lenord Smith
Age in 1911 1
Estimated Birth Year abt 1910 [abt 1910]
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Birth Place Bradford On Avon, Wiltshire, England
Civil parish Trowbridge
County/Island Wiltshire
Country England
Street Address 20 Thomas St, Trowbridge
Registration District Number 247
Sub-registration district Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 05
Piece 11965
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frances Smith 36 Head
Fanny Smith 35 Wife
Arthur Smith 13 Son [ birth surname Woodham ]
Lilian Smith 8 Daughter
Florence Smith 5 Daughter
Lenord Smith 1 Son


SMITH, LILY mmn WOODHAM
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in MELKSHAM Volume 05A Page 113

SMITH, FLORENCE mmn WOODHAM
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in CHIPPENHAM Volume 05A Page 70


Francis Smith
in the Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name Francis Smith
Gender Male
Marriage Age 25
Event Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1874
Marriage Date 29 Mar 1899
Marriage Place Marshfield, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Marshfield
Father
Joseph Smith <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse
Fanny Louisa Woodham



Leonard and siblings had uncle/aunt/cousins named Loveridge - see Lily below in 1921. Aunt Prudence was their father Francis's sister.


Lily Smith
in the 1921 England Census
Name Lily Smith
Gender Female
Nationality British
Marital Status Single
Age 18 Years 5 Months
Relation to Head Cousin
Estimated Birth Year 1903
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 8 Burbridge Yard,Trowbrdige
Residence Place Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England
Occupation Feeder
Occupation Code 362/6
Employer Messer Kemp & Hewitt
Employer Code 274
Place of Work Innox Mills (Local)
Inhabited Y
Parliamentary Division Wiltshire Pc, Westbury Div.
Registration District Melksham
Registration District Number 247
Sub registration district Trowbridge
Sub Registration District Number 2
Respondent Overidge Ambrose
Enumeration District Name Trowbridge Ud
Enumeration District 6
Schedule 130
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Ambrose Loveridge 40 Years 3 Months Head
Prudence Loveridge 34 Years 9 Months Wife
Lenard Loveridge 9 Years 4 Months Son
Stanley Loveridge 8 Years 5 Months Son
William Loveridge 4 Years 6 Months Son
Lily Smith 18 Years 5 Months Cousin


Ambrose Loveridge
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name Ambrose Loveridge
Gender Male
Age 32
Birth Year abt 1881 [abt 1881]
Marriage or Bann Date 3 Mar 1913
Marriage Place Bath St Paul, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears St Paul
Father Robert Loveridge
Spouse Prudence Clark, widow [ father: Joseph SMITH <<<<<<<<< ]

yes Dora was married to David Allen ErikaH. Linda seems to think her mum Minnies sister had a unusual name like Lizaby . She did remember visiting a uncle with surname Loveridge but she thought fathers side. Linda born 1953 Trowbridge Wilts. The loveridge family at the time were in vans and tents around Wiltshire. Which i am looking into at the moment some of Smith family have very unusual names .

Dora is/was Minnie’s daughter…married David Allen

Certainly not clear!
I thought Ruth meant Lizaby and Dora were sisters of Minnie 1913.
But who knows?!

It’s unclear as to whose sister she was supposed to be. I took it that she was Dora’s, but we need more clarity.

"Lizaby" could be a family "pet" name for an Elizabeth who couldn't pronounce her name in young childhood.


Liberty Smith , 1916 Bristol, if that's the one you mean, was male, according to GRO site.

I met with Linda (Minnies youngest daughter) today and they never knew grandparents. Dora the second eldest child was born in a romany caravan cirencester Minnie eldest child was called Mary. Linda told me that minnie was born 1913 died 2002 she thought from birmingham way but not sure. She remembers a sister Lizaby (I think maybe Liberty as can not find anyone matching Lizaby also a sister Dora plus she thinks 2 brothers but doesnt know there names. I am trying to research Romany sites to see if pattern in travel. Leonard Smith was also Romany .

Marriages Sep 1950 (>99%)
Seviour John R SMITH Chippenham 7c 1114
Smith Minnie Seviour Chippenham 7c 1114

Marriages Mar 1952 (>99%)
Allen David W Smith Chippenham 7c 926
Smith Dora Allen Chippenham 7c 926

Yes thats right died RUH hospital Bath 2002

The record I posted is her death. You said she died in 2002

Sorry Erika but what does the above mean? is it for Minnies Birth. I have Minnie's daughter coming around on Wednesday to try and give me more information on things that she might remember which might help. As Leonards family settled in Trowbridge and rest of minnies children born Chippenham and Trowbridge it makes sense that they were living at 208 Coombe Lane which is Stable Cottage Atworth. I am trying also to find school records as the primary school of the time was down same lane as they were living. The school no longer exists. Thank you so much for helping me.

SMITH, MINNIE 1913
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2002 in BATH AND NORTH EAST SOMERSET (3001E) Reg E1D Entry Number 175

I submitted a correction to FMP yesterday regarding the Seviour error

AG posted Ancestry version of 1939 on page one

1939 Register
208 Coombsham Coombe Lane, Atworth, Bradford and Melksham R.D., Wiltshire, England
Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Leonard Smith 12 Apr 1909 Male Farm Labourer Married 105 1
Minnie Seviour (Smith) 13 May 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 105 2
Minnie Seviour (Smith) 20 Apr 1930 Female At School Single 105 3
Dora Allen (Smith) 20 Nov 1932 Female At School Single 105 4

The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.


There is only 1 closed record not 2 and the first Minnie has error written as Seviour should not have been written against her name.

Unless the info given to Ruth is less accurate than she thinks.

Copy of the cert would clear up any doubts

No, neither it does! Probably not that birth, in that case.

A Croydon birth doesn’t fit with Ruth’s statement that ALL the children were born in Wiltshire

Minnie junior's DOB stated in 1939 has also been corrected/changed.
It may have started out as 25/5/30 - impossible to see properly - then was changed to 20/11/30, and finally to 29/4/30.

However, it looks as if the November date may be correct:

Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
Smith Minnie Smith Croydon 2a 653

IF Minnie senior's birth was in fact registered, here are the possibilities to fit in with the dates above - IF any of those dates is correct:

SMITH, MINNIE CAPEL
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in WINSLOW Volume 03A Page 1011

SMITH, MINNIE CHAPPEL
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in TADCASTER Volume 09C Page 1019

SMITH, MINNIE CLEWS
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 64


SMITH, MINNIE GILL
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 777

SMITH, MINNIE POLLARD
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 467

SMITH, MINNIE TODD
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 1153

SMITH, MINNIE WOOD
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1410
[ DOB 4/3/1912. Father Arthur, foundry labourer, per baptism.]

SMITH, MINNIE KIRK
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH Volume 07A Page 156

SMITH, MINNIE MOSS
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in TADCASTER Volume 09C Page 1998

SMITH, MINNIE WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in BURNLEY Volume 08E Page 300

Minnie's DOB on the 1939 Register has been transcribed as 13/5/1911 on Ancestry.

The final figure is a bit unclear - could be a 5 , as FMP thinks it is (per ErikaH's post above.)
However, the DOB has been altered later, to 25/5/1912.



Minnie Smith Sr
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Minnie Smith Sr
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 13 May 1911
Residence Date 1939
Address 208 Coombsham
Residence Place Bradford and Melksham, Wiltshire, England
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 5
Schedule Number 105
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Wscj
Borough Bradford and Melksham
Registration District 247-1
Inferred Spouse
Leonard Smith
Inferred Children
Minnie Smith
Dora Smith
Household Members (Name) Gender Birth Year
Leonard Smith Male 1909
Minnie Smith Female 1911
Minnie Smith Female 1930
Dora Smith Female 1932
This record is officially closed.