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Hello

I am rubbish at deciphering handwriting.

Can someone please tell me what they think the occupation is of someone. I'm looking at the 1841 England census:

John Park
born 1801

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 376; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Bedminster; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 16; Page: 27; Line: 10; GSU roll: 288785.

Thanks

I think it's journeyman something - farm??
Jan

Hi,

or it could be Sawyer ?????

A tricky one.

Waves at Jan.


Dee xx

Waving back Dee!!

This is the family for reference:

1841 England Census

Name: John Park
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Bedminster
Hundred: Hartcliffe and Bedminster
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Bedminster
Sub-registration district: Bedminster

John Park 40
Eliza Park 40
Eliza Park 20
Emma Park 15
John Park 20
George Park 15
Alexander Park 9
Henry Park 5
Henry Park 20


And this looks like them 1851 - but John is an accountant!!


1851 England Census

Name: John Park
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Walcot, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration district: Amwell

John Park 57
Eliza Park 50
Alexander Park 17
Henry Werner Park 15

Aaahhh...

I see 10 years later he is an accountant so it now looks to me that the 2nd word is TAXES or FARES???

Dee x

Oh Jan, great minds eh?


Dee x

Well, Dee I think it looks more like fares though not sure what that would mean!
Jan

Could the 1st word be surveyor?? In view of later job unlikely to be my 1st thought of Journeyman.
Jan

Thanks everyone.

I'm looking for John Parks/Parkes who was a Smith at the time of his daughter's marriage in October 1838, Bedminster, Brisol. I'm guessing that less than two years' later he would be of the same or related occupation.

I'll keep looking.

I can see you are looking at the same 1841 as above. So this is not yours?
Who are the witnesses on his daughter's marriage??
Jan

Grrr, just did a long post and lost it, will be back with another in 2 ticks

These are the marriage details:

9 Oct 1838, John Parks (although this spelling varies and usually includes an e) full age, bacheloe, shipwright, residence Bedminster, father John Parks, occupation Smith

Mary Ann Harding full age, spinster residence Bedminster, father Richard Harding, occupation Ship Wright

married a the Parish of St. Stephen, Bristol

witnesses Elizabeth Fowler and John Thorne Gwyer

to be continued ....

In the 1841 census, Mary Ann is found with her baby son. In fact her husand doesn't appear in any census with her because it appears he is following work around the country. In 1854 he is on a child's birth certificate as Shipwright and the family are living in London.


I thought I would try to find their fathers in the 1841 census but have little information to go on. As Mary Ann records her birth as the Bedminster area I would guess that her father (shipwright) would still be working in the same area less than 2 years after she's married. John's father's occupation is likely to be related to the ships as well although not necessarily, nevertheless, I would expect he would have remained in the same area so that's where I am at the moment. In Bristol with skant information.

I found John Thorne Gwyer, and his occupation is an Accountant! His fathers was also the same and John T Gwyer was born in 1820 in Clifton.

So maybe the Parks family you found in 1841 could be the correct family and the details are incorrect for the occupations on the marriage certificate??? It wouldn't be the first time info was incorrect.


Dee x
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On the 1861 census this chap is living with Mary A Parkes and is listed as Step Brother(on original image) and step bro in law on the finding, but if you look at him in 1851 he is living next door to Mary and her occupation is given as Seamans wife;

1851 England Census
about Davd Twitchell
Name: Davd Twitchell
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cavendish, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
Davd Twitchell 36


Dee x

Here he is in 1841;

1841 England Census
about David Twitchell
Name: David Twitchell
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Cavendish
Hundred: Babergh
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Sudbury
Sub-registration district: Hartest
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Twitchell 57 Labourer, not born in County
Elizabeth Twitchell 60
David Twitchell 21
Joseph Twitchell 14


The others are born in the County......... so is Elizabeth Twitchell John Park*s mother or Mary Ann Hardings???


Dee x

Hi Dee

Thanks very much for that. I know about David Twitchell and I just found it very confusing because I couldn't work out the relationship. I did start getting suspicious about the children being born without their dad ever materialising on the censues but I have long since decided that probably wasn't the case. I have one of the children's birth certs (gt gt grandmother) and she was born 1854 and her father was John Parkes.

I really don't know re the Twitchell's, I could nt work it out when I looked (some time ago) and I'm still confused, lol