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Many thanks Janet..................... John

As that record has been submitted by David, perhaps you could contact him and see what information he holds on Bertha.

many thanks June for that info - No, I haven't seen this 'family search' - so I'm going to it..... I take it I just go for "Family Search .org" - (Bit green at this ).... Again June, thanks a lot....John

have you seen this on family search.org

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Bertha Elizabeth Walsh Compact Disc #24 Pin #205103 Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1895



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Marriage(s)
Spouse: John Robert Nunn Disc #24 Pin #205100
Marriage: 12 Apr 1919
St. Johns Church, Shildon


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Hi AlanC and Janet - I agree with your comments - But it does seem a bit odd as two members of the same family (all brothers) were married in 1919 (the same Year) and the other in 1920, Yet these had family members as their witnesses.................. John

Don't forget, weddings weren't the big thing they are nowadays. If your relations were working 6 days a week they'd loose a days pay to go to a wedding and possibly their job.

A friends parents married in the early 50's. they took the afternoon off work, got hitched then went home to their respective parents on the bus. The following day they went back to work as normal. Wasn't until a month or so later that they moved in together (with one set of parents)

I don't think it was uncommon at one time for witnesses to a marriage to be unrelated (or apparently unrelated) to the couple. There could be a number of reasons - marriage not approved of by parents, marrying without consent, family too far away, etc. I have a number of certificates where the witnesses names are not family names - although some could be married sisters whose history I've not followed up yet.

Hi Quinsgran - just to been to that site - quite good.... If that "Poor Law Union: Institution, St.Barnabas Road Workhouse was the only one in the Middlesbrough area, then it has to be that one..... Can't see anymore....
Many Thanks..... John....

Hi SomersetGirl - just "Deceased"... which makes me wonder, seeing that she was in Institution at an early age, whether she knew her father's name, or was it just a 'made up' one.... Regards, John

Have you googled Middlesbrough Workhouse.

Photo's and information on there. Also Teesside Archives have admission and discharge records

Hi Margaret, going a 'bit daft' with the 1000s of names.... But it certainly seems like it at times......
The Institute that she was in was in Middlesbrough, not certain about name, but it was for "Poor children etc"......
Name... Bertha Walsh... Born...1895, but not certain..... Father...Edward, (stated on marriage certifcate as 'deceased'......
On the 1911 census she was down as born 1895, born in Manchester..
This was in the Institution.....
She did put her name down on the marriage cert, as Bertha Elizabeth.....
No one by that name....
As I said Margaret there are lots of Bertha Walsh's out there with fathers as Edward, but finding the right one is a real headache.......
No sign of a mother for Bertha....
Did come across a Winifred Walsh born 1897 also in an Institute in Middlesboro'.but she was born in a different area to Bertha.....
And that Margaret is the only info I have prior to 1919 (when she was married).................... Many thanks... John

Thousands of names, John, are you sure? Can you not narrow it down in some way, using place of birth, relatives etc.?

What was the institution she was in in 1911, and her name?

Margaret

Hi AllanC - yes I stand corrected it would have bee ten years... I did find a name as I said on the 1911 census - checked that and there were 1000s,
Next tried her next of kin, Father, again, 1000's nearly all in the same area.... Many thanks Allan for your help, very much appreciated.. John

Hi Helen - I've tried the "workhouse' site, but not much for me on there.. The National Archives website, could be a shot at.... Many thanks for your advice Helen.............John

A possible line of enquiry (I presume you mean 10 years (1901-1911) not five:

Can you find any 6-year-olds with that name in families anywhere in the 1901 census? If there are lots of them then try some of those in the same area as the institution first. It could give you some possible names for one or both parents. Then try FreeBMD for deaths of those names between 1901 and 1911. And for births for the child, to see if there's a match to the possible parents (you need to buy certificates for that, so you have to be pretty sure you're on the right track).

But it could be a long haul with plenty of false leads.

you could try www.workhouses.org

or the national archives website under access to archives, search for the institution and you may find out where any surviving records are held, sometimes admissions books etc are available

How would you go about trying to find information on someone who was in an Institute (for poor children).... Not there in the 1901 census, but there in the 1911 census as a 16 year old. During those five years how would you go about seeking info on that person, as to when that person was placed in the 'home' , why was she, or any other info of interest..... "Sick as a parrot now" after trying for years.......John