Genealogy Chat

Hi Everyone

I'm just wondering why a mothers maiden name, fathers surname, and child's surname would all be different?????

Ernest W NICKLIN was born 1895, Endon Moss, Staffordshire
Died 1967

His father was William WILSHAW
Born 1859
Died 1936

His mother was Emily BOWYER
Born 1861
Died 1930

I've checked William's and Emily's motehrs maiden names but neither of them are Nicklin.

So just wondering where the Nicklin could have come from?

Ernest married Lily Heath, and it's her mother that is part of my family tree

Any ideas?

Thanks

Natasha

This is a possibility, but I would have thought he'd have taken the Wilshaw name if that was the case :S

Have you found him on the 1901 census, I can't see him?

Sam x

Have you actually got his birth cert giving those names.


Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
Nicklin Ernest William Leek 6b 314

Christine

Have you seen this marriage?



Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)


Clewlow John Leek 6b 487
Mountford Emily Leek 6b 487
>>>Nicklin Emily Leek 6b 487
>>>Wilshaw William Leek 6b 487

Emily had been married before...

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOWYER Emily WILSHAW William Civil Marriage (Leek) Staffordshire Moorlands LR/6/175
NICKLIN Emily WILSHAW William Civil Marriage (Leek) Staffordshire Moorlands LR/6/175
WILSHAW William BOWYER Emily Civil Marriage (Leek) Staffordshire Moorlands LR/6/175
WILSHAW William NICKLIN Emily Civil Marriage (Leek) Staffordshire Moorlands LR/6/175

hi guys sorry I didnt reply I got called into a meeting!

I haven't looked on the 1901 census

I don't have his birth cert

And I hadn't seen the marriage!

So from the info you've given me, Ernest wasn't William Wilshaw's son?
Emily was married to a Nicklin, had Ernest, something happened to him and then she married William.

My nana has previously mentioned something about aodptions, but I haven't found any evidence fo them yet.

Maybe William didn't actually adopt him then if he didn'tt akle his surname?

Thanks for your help guys, much appreciated

Adoption did not become a formal, legal process until the late 1920's.

Oh right, I did know that eric but for some reason completely overlooked it!

That will explain it then.

Thanks again everyone, much appreciated

Another mystery solved :D

Just realised that Emily married William 5 months after Ernest was born, so her first husband either left her or died, before or after she was pregnant with Ernest!

Perhaps William Wilshaw is the father. However if they didnt marry until after Ernest was born his birth would be in his mothers name of Nicklin

There is a marriage for a Emily Bowyer in 1890 mar qt Kidderminster but only 1 male name and 2 female gro ref 6c 257.
Wonder if thats hers?

That's a possibility too.

Was it not like it is now?

Cus my parents weren't married when I was born but I got my dad's surname?

Children born to unmarried parents are registered in both the mother's name and again in the father's name.

Cheers Gerry

Hmm...most bizarre then...because from what I cn gather his wife was a Nicklin and not a Wilshaw!

Sorry I think it's just me being a bit thick!

Legally a child born to a married woman was considered to be the child of her husband and would have been given his name.
Such a child would be registered with the name of the husband.

In this case it would be interesting to discover what happened to the first husband as divorce used to be very difficult.

Was the marriage to husband 2 legal?

Sue

Hi Sue

I don't actually know, I haven't had the time to search for her first husband if I'm honest. I assume he must have died, especially for her to marry so quickly, can imagine the social stigma for being single mother a the time was pretty immense!

I've just searched staffs bmd for nicklin and bowyer marriage over a 15 year period and it's returned nothing