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Thankyou everyone, that satisfies the detail I wanted to know.
It confirms that they are not connected with the line I am following

Once again many many thanks for all your help.

I thought it was curious that Emily and Olive returned to England for almost a year.

Would that be Mary Clee?...

Chris :)

Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1863

TURFORD Thomas CLEE Mary Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/88


Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1889

SMITHERS Frederick TURFORD Emily Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/177

http://www.shropshirebmd.info/index.php

(Marriages only on above)


Shropshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1871

TURFORD Thomas MALPAS Eliza Knowbury, Ludlow Shrewsbury C-L32/1/122

Margaret
Dea has found the 1891 census which shows her parents at The Slack, Cainham Ludlow, which would appear to be her destination, in 1916.

I can't get a proper transcription for this but it is 1901 and she is married to 'William' aged 37, Officer's servant, born Chobham, Surrey.

They are in some sort of Army establishment connected to the Royal Engineers.

Victor and Olive are also with them.

Dea x

EDIT - It is the 'School of Military Engineering'


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Emily
Last name Smithers
Relationship Wife
Marital status Married
Gender Female
Age 35
Birth year 1866
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed CAINHAM
Birth county Shropshire
Birth county as transcribed SHROPSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish Gillingham
City -
Country England
County Kent
Municipal ward Brompton
Registration district Medway
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 738
Folio 70
Page 2
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census

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Dea
Yes I have seen the death certificate and the informant is given as William Smithers, husband. The parents are Thomas Turford and Hannah Clee.
Unfortunately It does not connect with Frederick int the BMD reference

If she married Frederick Smithers in 1889 then this says that Emily was a widow in 1891 ??????


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Slack, Cainham, Ludlow, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Turford Head Married Male 50 1841 Carpenter Shropshire, England
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Eliza Turford Wife Married Female 47 1844 - Shropshire, England
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Hannah Turford Daughter Single Female 27 1864 - Shropshire, England
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Emily Smithers Daughter Widow Female 25 1866 - Shropshire, England
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Nellie Turford Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Shropshire, England
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Robert Morris Nephew Single Male 17 1874 Labourer Bitterley, Shropshire, England
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Frederick Smithers Grandson - Male 0 1891 - Shropshire, England
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Census details


Did she marry again ?

Dea x

Did Emily die in Vancouver??


Event Type:
Death
Registration Number:
1927-09-384232
Event Date (YYYY-MM-DD):
1927-03-10
Event Place:
VANCOUVER
Age at Death:
61
Person:
EMILY SMITHERS

The death certs give a lot of info - the husband and her parents details should be on there.

Dea x

Emily, 50 and Olive 16 1/2 arriving in England 1916, Heading to "The Slack/Stack?", ?owbury near Ludlow, Shropshire.

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Olive Smithers

in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
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Name: Olive Smithers
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 15
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 25 Sep 1916
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Grampian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Grampian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Line
Official Number: 124220

Dea, Thanks that is one I had missed

Olive Eleanor returning to Canada along with mother Emily, 51. Says that they left in 1916.

Olive Eleanor Smithers

in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name: Olive Eleanor Smithers
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1900
Date of Arrival: 21 Jul 1917
Vessel: Olympic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Olympic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Margaret, many thanks, yes this the right family. As you can see the Father is shown as William, yet Emily Turford apparently married Frederick.

There was also another child who, I think, died aged 2:

SMITHERS, FREDERICK TOM AMBROSE TURFORD Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 06A Page 571


Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
Smithers Frederick Thomas A 2 Farnham 2a 84

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Cecil William Smithers

in the 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta
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Name: Cecil William Smithers
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 17
Est. Birth Year: 1899
Birthplace: England
Year of Immigration: 1911
Home in 1916: 01A, Calgary West, Alberta
Address: 633, Sarcee Camp
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Relation to Head of Household: Son
Father's name: William Smithers
Mother's name: Emily Smithers
Sub District Desc.: (A - M) inclusive, City of Calgary, such portion as is situated in this district according to the Representation Act, 1914
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smithers 52
Emily Smithers 49
Victor Ambrose Smithers 22
Cecil William Smithers 17
Olive Eleanor Smithen 16

Daughter Olive also born England.

Still looking for them on passenger lists, no luck yet.
This seems to be attestation papers for Cecil William. He seems to have lied about his age, claimed he was 19, born 9 April 1898 but birth certificate said 9 April 1899.

Cecil William Smithers

in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
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Name: Cecil William Smithers
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1898
Birth Location: Chatham, England
Relative: W Smithers
Relationship: Father
Regiment Number: 530185

In Canadian records on Family search William Smithers is living in Canada with Emily Turford as man and wife. According to FREEBMD Emily married Frederick Smithers in 1889.
They emigrated to Canada in 1911.
Can anyone find them on the passengers lists in 1911. Which would give their names and addresses. They had two children Victor Ambrose and Cecil William Smithers who travelled with them. Victor was 17 and Cecil was 12.
I would be grateful for any help.