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Are there any descendants of the above couple who married in Whitechapel London in Q1 1913. Catherine was born in Hove Sussex in 1892 and Michael was born in Whitechapel London in 1886. I don't see the couple on passenger lists. Any help would be appreciated.

Have you looked for possible births of children on free bmd, and deaths for either of them?

Thank-you

Using the free site

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

and FMP to check for births to the couple, none are shown

How about this.........

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England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Michael Kirby Name:Michael Kirby
Birth Date:abt 1886
Date of Registration:Jun 1920
Age at Death:34
Registration district:Lewisham
Inferred County:London
Volume:1d
Page:1083



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Catherine Goring Name:Catherine Goring
Registration Year:1891
Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:Steyning
Inferred County:Sussex
Volume:2b
Page:303



England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
about Catherine Kirby Name:Catherine Kirby
Spouse Name: William Partlett
Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district:Poplar
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1c
Page Number:882



London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
about Catherine Partlett Name:Catherine Partlett
Year:1930
County or Borough:Camden
Ward or Division/Constituency:St Pancras
Street address:100 Guilford Street

Living at the same address....

William Partlett
Alice Esther Kirby
Kathleen Louise Kirby
John William Kirby
Thomas Henry Kirby

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London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Michael John Kirby
Year: 1915
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: Whitechapel
Street address: 24 Royal Mint-square

If this is him at the time of the 1901 census it shows him with mother Hannah and brother Patrick who are listed as his NOK when he attested in 1904 aged 18

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, New Martin Street, Whitechapel, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah Kirby Head Widow Female 42 1859 Trousers Tailoress Aldgate, Middlesex, England
Mary Kirby Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Flower Seed Packer Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Margaret Kirby Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Tobacco Moulder Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Michael Kirby Son Single Male 15 1886 Errand Boy Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Patrick Kirby Son - Male 13 1888 - Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Ellen Kirby Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Whitechapel, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Murley Aunt Single Female 50 1851 - Aldgate, Middlesex, England

Thanks everybody. Must go off line for an hour - then I'll study it all.
best regards, jennifer

If correct man - Short service attestation shows him born in the parish of St George's , London aged 18yr 6 months and a Carman. He is serving in the 5th Battalion Middx Reg as a Militia man when he joins the Scottish Rifles 2 September 1904.

Described as 5ft 41/2 in (5ft 5in after 6 month service and gymnastic course!), weight 115 lbs, chest 341/2in when fully expanded. Fresh complexion, grey eyes, brown hair and a Roman Catholic. He has clasped hands and heart left forearm, a tombstone right forearm and a mole above left knee.

Transferred to the Army Reserve October 1907 and Mobilised at Hamilton 5th August 1914 and then transferred to Class Z Army Reserve 6.5.19 on Demobilisation. Home address at this time (?133) Catherine Buildings, Cartwright St, London.

He served in India 1906-1907 and the French Expeditionary Force 14.3.14 - 4.1.15 and 24.11.15 - 24.3.16 and Mediterranean EX Force 8.8.16 - 26.2.19. Noted at home 5.8.14 - 13.8.14 and 5.1.15 - 23.112.15 between these dates. Awarded the 1914 Star medal still with Scottish Rifles

Records stamped by Ministry of Pensions 5.5.20.

NOK remain as Mother Hannah and younger Brother Patrick of 10 New Martin St, Dock St, EC on his service records throughout. No marriage or children noted

You can forget my post.........

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Catherine Kirby Name:Catherine Kirby (Spinster)
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1901
Age:20
Spouse: William Partlett
Spouse Age:24
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:5 Nov 1921
Parish:St Saviour, Poplar
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:Jacob Kirby
Spouse Father:William Partlett
Register Type:Parish Register

I would advise you to get a copy of the 1913 marriage cert, to ensure that you don't follow entirely the wrong line.

How do you know when and where Michael was born?

there is no record on freebmd to match your info about him

Have you used freebmd at all?


Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
GORING Catherine Steyning 2b 303

Found a birth in Whitechapel, but NO second name


Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
KIRBY Michael Whitechapel 1c 369

Connected to............

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345891

and at least one other

I'm back now and amazed at all you have found out. I have used free BMD and no births showed up as you say.

I am basing my thoughts on the fact that a Michael John Kirby was the witness at the wedding of my relative Henry Frederick Bass in December 1907. This could rule out Greyghost's chap - although 1907 was his final year in India and he may have returned in time for the wedding on 22nd December 1907 at The Guardian Angels Chapel, Mile End Old Town.

The 1911 census showing Hannah as mother seems correct as he is showing as a Carter. (The bridegroom was a driver also). The bride was from Whitechapel too.The birth date for Catherine Goring was arrived at from the 1911 census showing her as a 19 yrs old kitchen maid in South Kensington and being born in Hove Sussex. Her name has been transcribed as Katherine with a K but is clearly a C on the original. The FMP marriage shows Catherine Goring marrying Michael J KIrby in Whitechapel in January 1913.


Prickly Holly. The marriage to William Partlett shows Catherine Kirby as a spinster and as such she would have been Catherine Goring.

I think the Michael Kirby Whitechapel birth in Mar 1886 could well be him as that area figures largely in the families of bride and groom. So if he is the military Michael then it seems the couple had no children.

Patchem - That looks like the chap in 1915 at 24 Royal Mint Square. If I could get on to the Ancestry London Voters I would be looking to see if there was a Henry Frederick Bass living nearby. So, if Michael J Kirby had a Catherine Kirby living with him at the time it would be good.

Does anyone know if Steyning is near to Hove in Sussex as that is where she said she was born on the 1911 census.

I'll do some more tree searches for his siblings. Thanks a billion for your help. ;-)

Do you believe that Catherine would have been eligible to vote in 1915?
Unfortunately not, surely?
That information was from a ER not a complete household list.

Steyning is near Hove - I use google maps to look up places if I do not know them.

Service records show
Home 2.9.04 - 12.1.06
India 13.1.06 - 25.10.07
Home 26.10.07 - 13.8.14

Obviously he didn't get from India to home in 1 day!! Did Home start from the day he left India or was travelling time from India included in the dates recorded as in India.
If he left India 25th October, what was the travelling time to England? I would have thought he would have been home for December?

Yes you are quite right. It is so good to bounce these theories off all you researchers. Heartfelt thanks to you all. :-(