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Understandable when as in some of mine anything between 8 and 12 children.
.Val.

Val not uncommon for an older child to be baptised along with a new arrival in the family.

Hi, yes dates are confusing Joseph J brothers my granddad born 1880 his brother born 1873 both on a baptism list for 1880.
many thanks for your help. Val.

The Joseph Littlewood who dies in East Retford Dec Qtr 1911 has no second initial recorded, which would fit this birth and where he was living in 1911
Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: LITTLEWOOD, Joseph
Registration district: East Retford
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1868
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 7B Page no: 19

Joseph Johnson's birth has his names in full, which would appear to be the first name and initial of the man who died in Dartford - where he lived in 1911.

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: LITTLEWOOD, Joseph Johnson
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1868
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 471

Not saying that he couldn't have moved, but seems unlikely and too much of a coincidence. Ancestry trees are certainly not foolproof, there are many that have granny born after grandson etc

A quick look shows his wife Lizzie probably died 1936 Dartford and all the children on the 1911 census probably married in the Dartford RD, so I think that would be the first Death certificate to try.

Edit - even the vicar can get it wrong - his baptism, shown on the Ancestry tree has Joseph born August 20th 1869 (baptised 26th Sept 1869 from West Yorkshire baptisms) yet the GRO birth registration is 1868!

Hi, Chris,
Thanks for this info all I have for an address in 1901 is Dartford St.Albans Kent.
Ta Val.
Thanks to everyone.

The overview/Family Trees in Ancestry shows
J.J. Littlewood the correct info inc parents/his family, from his birth, then his death shows East Retford Workshouse seems strange his wife Elizabeth Hornsby (Lizzie) was still alive plus he had children, unless no one could cope re paralysed. don't know the other guy Joseph above.
I think your right I will send for a death cert.
Many thanks for your help. Val.

1901
LITTLEWOOD, Joseph I (J) Head Married M 32 1869 Engineers Turner (Iron)
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, Lizzie Wife Married F 35 1866 Crowle, Lincolnshire
LITTLEWOOD, Ada L Daughter F 11 1890
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, William H Son M 9 1892
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, Frederick C Son M 7 1894
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, Rhoda K Daughter F 4 1897
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, Jane E Daughter F 3 1898
Leeds, Yorkshire
LITTLEWOOD, Beatrice A Daughter F 1 1900
Leeds, Yorkshire
HORNSBY, Kate Sister-In-Law Single F 25 1876 Tabloid Packer Chemical Works
Crowle, Lincolnshire
Piece: 702
Folio: 51
Page: 53
Registration District: Dartford
Civil Parish: Dartford
Municipal Borough:
Address: 66, Fulwich Street, Dartford
County: Kent

(also Kent 1901)

Chris :)

1911
LITTLEWOOD, Joseph Johnson Head Married M 42 1869 Formerley Horizontal Borer At Iron Foundry Now Paralised Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Lizzie Wife Married23 years F 45 1866 Lincolnshire Crowle
LITTLEWOOD, Ada Lilian Daughter Single F 20 1891 Sorter And Packer Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, William Henry Son Single M 19 1892 Moulder Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Frederick Charles Son Single M 17 1894 Machinist Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Rhoda Kate Daughter F 14 1897 At Home Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Jane Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1898 Scholar Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Beatrice Ann Daughter F 11 1900 Scholar Yorkshire Leeds
LITTLEWOOD, Hilda Florence Daughter F 6 1905 Kent Dartford
RG number: RG14
Piece: 3779
Reference: RG14PN3779 RG78PN143 RD43 SD3 ED17 SN199
Registration District: Dartford
Sub District: Dartford
Enumeration District: 17
Parish: Stone Near Dartford
Address: Cecil House London Road Stone Dartford
County: Kent

Just not sure which is the correct information, on one site it shows Kent on another it shows the workhouse Nottinghamshire inc a picture, I have checked on this so many times but just end up with the same two options.
Ta Val.

This could be the one who died E. Retford. That registration district covers Tuxford:

1911 England Census
about Joseph Littlewood Name: Joseph Littlewood
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tuxford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Tuxford
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Station St Tuxford Notts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: East Retford
Registration District Number: 426
Sub-registration district: Tuxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 20209
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Littlewood 43
Maud Littlewood 37
Christiana Littlewood 11
Ethel Littlewood 9
Gladys Littlewood 4
Sarah Littlewood 3
Frank Littlewood 1

Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
Littlewood Joseph J 43 Dartford 2a 808

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
Littlewood Joseph 43 E.Retford 7b 25

I assume these are the two death records you mean, Val.

If you don't know which is your gt uncle, the best way to find out is to buy copies of both death certificates, to ascertain parents, etc

Evidently 2 different people.

Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%)
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Littlewood Joseph 43 E.Retford 7b 25


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Littlewood Joseph J 43 Dartford 2a 808

Workhouses usually had a hospital which served the poor of the area, so your idea is almost certainly correct.
Jan

Hi Val

Not sure what you are looking for?

If anyone can help.
I have death information of Joseph Johnson Littlewood (My Great Uncle) of Oct 1911 death registration 1912 in Dartford Kent.
Also showing death Oct 1911 in East Retford Workhouse Nottinghamshire age 43.
J.J.Littlewood was born in Leeds 20/8/1868.
He worked as a horizontal borer at an Iron foundry don't know where, but in the 1911 census it shows his previous occupation as a borer but he is now paralysed living Cecil House, London Road, Stone in Kent (2/4/1911). Not sure why he would die in a workhouse unless part of the old workhouse had a hospital? and which is the correct place of death.
Here's hoping. Thanx Val.