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Apologies Margee. I think you are right. I had forgotten the marriage was in the name of Lily D. Mountford, so a mother called Dorothy is much more likely.

Kath. x

A tree on Ancestry says that Lily Dorothy Mountford was born 1888, Milton, Staffordshire, daughter of Thomas Mountford & Dorothy Smith. She married Henry Mathews.

Conversely your tree on Ancestry says that she was the daughter of Frederick and she married Arthur Mathews. There's no such marriage on FreeBMD. You really should be sure of your facts before you post them on an online tree. People copy these trees you know.

She married as Lily D. Could this be her birth? Middle name Dorothy after her mother?

Births Mar 1888 (>99%)
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MOUNTFORD Lily Dorothy Leek 6b 269

I still think her parents are Thomas & Dorothy. She's with them on the 1911 census aged 23 and there's a 4 year old grandson named Arthur with them.

I repeat Lily's marriage certificate is essential.

I think the family that Reggie found in the 1901 census is likely to be the correct family. This is them in 1911:-

1911 census transcription details for: 33 Derby St Hanley Stoke - on - Trent

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16544 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED34 SN208
Reg. District: Stoke upon Trent
Sub District: Hanley
Parish: Hanley
Enum. District: 34

Address: 33 Derby St Hanley Stoke - on - Trent
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

MOUNTFORD, Frederick Head Married M 49 1862 Coal Miner Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Jane Wife Married
29 years F 48 1863 Potter Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Joseph Son Single M 27 1884 Miner Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Beatrice Daughter Single F 21 1890 Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Jane Daughter Single F 18 1893 Lithographer Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Ethel Daughter Single F 13 1898 Potter Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Roseline Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Staffs Hanley
MOUNTFORD, Philmena Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Staffs Hanley
SIMMS, Sarahann Mother In Law Widow F 65 1846 None Staffs Hanley

Kath. x

I would suspect that Lily's father was Thomas not Frederick.

I think Lily's marriage certificate is required to get her father's name.

Margee...I saw that census and thought the same! Lynn has an unsourced tree on Ancestry and has Lily as born 1886 ...so I think the statement "father Frederick" is an assumption.

Lynn we need you to answer questions as posed by all of us!

Jude

Lilly in 1911 but no Arthur. Would she have been only 15 when he was born?

1911 England Census
about Lilly Mountford Name: Lilly Mountford
Age in 1911: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hanley, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: street Maker Pottery
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent
Registration District Number: 361
Sub-registration District: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household Schedule Number: 128
Piece: 16543
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Mountford 43
Mary Mountford 45
Lilly Mountford 19
Patsy Mountford 18
Agnes Mc Chayne 40

How do you know her father's name?

This is possibly Lily's marriage (Wolstanton is less than three miles from Hanley)

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
Matthews Henry Mountford Wolstanton 6b 213
Mountford Lily D Matthews Wolstanton 6b 213

And there is a birth for an Arthur Mountford in Q2 1907 in Wolstanton - do you actually have his birth certificate?

Have you found him in 1911?

Jude

Could be one of these

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
Mountford Arthur Leek 6b 313
Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
MOUNTFORD Arthur Wolstanton 6b 131
MOUNTFORD Arthur Birkenhead 8a 466
MOUNTFORD Arthur James Stafford 6b 20a
MOUNTFORD Arthur Stoke Wolstanton 6b 4/25

This Arthur is listed as grandson on original but grandparents have wrong names.

1911 England Census
about Arthur Mountford Name: Arthur Mountford
Age in 1911: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Milton, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Milton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: No 8 Station Rd, Milton
Occupation: school
Registration District: Wolstanton
Registration District Number: 360
Sub-registration District: Burslem
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household Schedule Number: 141
Piece: 16509
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Mountford 70
Dorothy Mountford 60
Lilly Mountford 23
Eli R Mountford 20
Ada Mountford 18
Edgar Mountford 11
Arthur Mountford 4

911 census transcription details for: 8 Station Road Milton

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN16509 RG78PN1021 RD360 SD3 ED27 SN141
Reg. District: Wolstanton
Sub District: Burslem
Parish: Milton
Enum. District: 27
Address: 8 Station Road Milton
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MOUNTFORD, Thomas Head Married M 70 1841 Coal Dealer Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Dorothy Wife Married
40 years F 60 1851 Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Lilly Daughter Single F 23 1888 Tile Maker Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Eli R Son Single M 20 1891 Coal Miner Hewer Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Ada Daughter Single F 18 1893 Tile Maker Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Edgar Grandson M 11 1900 School Milton Staffs
MOUNTFORD, Arther Grandson M 4 1907 School Milton Staffs

Could this be his birth? :-


Name: MOUNTFORD, Arthur
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no: M/25

and this his mother's marriage:-


Name: MOUNTFORD, Lily D
Registration district: Wolstanton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Matthews
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 213

Name: MATTHEWS, Henry
Registration district: Wolstanton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1914
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Mountford
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 213

His birth seems to have been re-registered in 1925 under the name Matthews, so it is likely that Henry Matthews was in fact his father but his birth was registered in his mother's surname because the parents were not married at the time.


Name: MATTHEWS, Arthur
Registration district: Stoke on Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1925
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Mountford
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 415

Buying the certificates would give you some addresses and also clarify whether this was definitely "your" Lily's marriage as the marriage certificate should confirm her father's name.

Kath. x

1901 census


Person: MOUNTFORD, Lily Address: 12, Milner Street, Hanley

MOUNTFORD, Fredrick Head Married M 39 1862 Coal Hewer
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Jane Wife Married F 38 1863 Potters Cup Maker
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Florance Daughter Single F 19 1882 Potters Cup Maker
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Joseph Son Single M 17 1884 Bricklayer
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Beatice Daughter F 11 1890
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Jane Daughter F 8 1893
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Ethel Daughter F 3 1898
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
SIMS, Sarah Mother-In-Law F 56 1845
Hanley, Staffordshire VIEW
MOUNTFORD, Lily Daughter F 14 1887 Potter Mould Runner
Hanley, Staffordshire

Is this possibly Lily's marriage in 1914?

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Matthews Henry Mountford Wolstanton 6b 213
Mountford Lily D Matthews Wolstanton 6b 213

How do you know who his mother was?

Have you looked for his birth as Mountford?

When was Lily born?

Have you traced her on censuses?

Have you looked for a marriage?

Does anyone know anything about my Grandfather. Arthur Matthews. I have been trying to trace his birth father for years. His Mother was Lilly Mountford, daughter of Frederick Mountford and was born in Hanley. I know that he was brought up with the surname Matthews but do not know if that was the name of his Stepfather as I am unclear if Lilly married his father. He grew up in Failsworth but I do not know if he was born there or in Stoke. His d.o.b. is March 1907. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks. Lynn Allen.