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would be most grateful if anyone could shed some light, or point me in the right direction to find parents of Ellen Teal. She married William McLean in 1844 in Manchester and her fathers name is recorded as Thomas Teal. He could have been born anywhere, so how do I know if I've got the right one? I've looked at some in Yorkshire area, but they don't seem right and I'm going round in circles!
Thanks

Hello Judith, have you found Ellen on the 1841?

What was her father's occupation, and who were the witnesses on the marriage?

Yes,
I have found an Ellen and a Mary (her sister) in M/c living or working in mill st M/c

sorry, don't know fathers occupation or who the witnesses were

From IGI
Ellen Teal
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 Jun 1817
Christening Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Thomas Teal
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01321-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1545578
Reference ID: item 3 p 43

This is the marriage:

Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930

Name: William McLean, bachelor, full age -
Age: Full
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1844
Parish: Manchester, St John
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father's Name: William McLean
Spouse's Name: Ellen Teal - spinster, full age
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Teal - occupation looks like book keeper
Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/3/18

Witnesses: Mary Teale and George Turvey

1881 to confirm place and year of birth:

Name: Ellen McLean
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William McLean
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Mayfield
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: The Terrace
Marital Status: Married

Registration District: Ashborne
Sub-registration District: Mayfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Piece: 3422
Folio: 45
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
William McLean 66
Ellen McLean 64
Mary J. Bostock 32
Elizabeth McLean 27
James McLean 26
Mary E. McLean 22
Edith McLean 7
Carrai Bostock 6
Gertrude Bostock 4

Web address for IGI..............................

https://familysearch.org/

Have you discovered any of the other children's marriages to check father's details?

George Teal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 28 May 1809 CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Teal
mother: Mary

Jane Atkinson Teal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 31 March 1811 CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Teal
mother: Mary

Harriet Teal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 6 September 1812 CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Teal
mother: Mary

Mary Teale
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 12 July 1815 CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
father: Thomas Teale
mother: Mary

Ellen Teal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 8 June 1817 Manchester, Lancashire, England
residence: Manchester, Lancashire, England
father: Thomas Teal
mother: Mary

Hi, thanks for your reply. I have taken your advice and looked for the marriage of George first as I thought that might be easier, but i can't find a marriage!
I can find a reference in 1841 census to a George Teal with wife Mary (both 32) and a 12 year old son Thomas. That would fit nicely with George's father Thomas, but again, no info about Thomas and Mary the parents! Where/when they were married and her maiden name. Cannot find any info on Jane Atkinson Teal either - did think that would be slightly easier, but no! Thought the Atkinson may have been mothers maiden name, but can't find a marriage of a Mary Atkinson and ThomasTeal. any other suggestions???

"England Marriages, 1538–1973"
Name: Hugh Burns
Spouse's Name: Jane Atkinson Teal
Event Date: 06 Sep 1835
Event Place: Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00546-8

Brilliant, thank you.

1841 census

Person: BURNS, Jane Address: Mill Street, Manchester

BURNS, Hugh M 70 1771 Ireland VIEW
BURNS, Jane F 25 1816 Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, James M 5 1836 Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Mary F 3 1838 Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Thos M 1 1840 Lancashire VIEW
HOYLE, Elzeth F 35 1806 Lancashire VIEW
HOYLE, Persillea F 30 1811 Lancashire VIEW
TEAL, Mary F 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
TEAL, Ellen F 20 1821 Lancashire VIEW
ADKINSON, - F 75 1766

The last-named is a MRS Adkinson.....NOT born in Lancs

Would be a possibility for grandmother - but that is conjecture

A more realistic birth year for HUGH

1851 census

Person: BURNS, James Address: 40, Mill Street, Manchester

BURNS, Hugh Head Married M 36 1815 Cotton Spinner Operative
Ireland VIEW
BURNS, Jane Wife Married F 40 1811
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, James Son M 15 1836 Piecer
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Nurse
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scavenger Cotton Mill
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Edward Son Unmarried M 7 1844 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, Dennis Son Unmarried M 5 1846 Scholar
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
BURNS, George Son Unmarried M 1 1850
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
HOYLE, Priscilla Lodger Unmarried F 45 1806 Frame Tenter
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
HOYLE, Elizabeth Lodger Unmarried F 42 1809 Cop Reeler
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
ARMSTRONG, Francis Lodger Married M 18 1833 Piecer
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
ARMSTRONG, Emma Lodger Married F 21 1830 Piecer
Manchester, Lancashire

from ancestry



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 (Cathedral) about Hugh Burns

Name: Hugh Burns
Marriage Date: 6 Sep 1835
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Spouse's Name: Jane Atkinson Teal
Archive Roll: 701


Witnesses were Thomas Parry and George Turvey

Thomas Parry was probably a "professional witness" as his name appears on several records in the Parish Register ................ that means someone who was paid a small amount to witness marriages

All this information is really helpful and I do appreciate it. I think I must be limiting my searching to GR which has returned a lot of blanks which you folks have filled for me.
I am really hoping I can now find Thomas Teal and his wife (parents of George, Jane, Harriett, Mary and Ellen) as somewhere we think there is a 'foreign strain'.

We have a picture of my husbands great Grandmother (Mary Jane McLean 1846-1912, Ellen Teals daughter) who looks quite dark, perhaps Indian.
Also in the picture is his grandmother (Gertrude Bostock 1877-1939), also dark skinned, but other siblings are not dark!).
This is a pattern repeated in my husbands own family as two siblings are darker than the other two and again the same in his sisters family. So far all relatives seem to have been born in the Manchester area, and its all very intriguing.

If any of you can suggest how to research (i.e. which sites) before the censuses, it would be most helpful. Thanks a lot.

For Lancashire.........................http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

For all areas..................https://familysearch.org/

.............and................http://www.freereg.org.uk/

I don't think anyone who has posted info on here uses GR for research

It would seem that George Turvey may have been known to the family, as he appears as a witness on the two marriages posted above.............which were in different Churches. The 'pro' witnesses alluded to by Sylvia tended to be associated with a single Church

A great help, thanks.