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I presume this is where his birth date has come from?

UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Name: Edward Rand
Estimated Age: 24
Birth Date: 17 May 1827
Birth Place: West Ham, Essex
Issue Date: 20 Jan 1851
Issue Port: London Poplar
Certificate Number: 66.100

Had been serving for 11 years. Apprentice, seaman and mate.

This is speculation.....based on the marriage info kindly found by safc

1841 census


Person: RAND, Thomas Address: West Ham Abbey, West Ham, Church Street

RAND, Thomas M 50 1791 Essex VIEW
RAND, Mary F 20 1821 Essex VIEW
RAND, James M 10 1831 Essex VIEW
RAND, Susanah F 6 1835 Essex VIEW
RAND, Phillip M 4 1837 Essex VIEW
RAND, Sarah F 0 (4 months) 1841 Essex VIEW
RAND, Charles M 12 1829 Essex VIEW
RAND, William M 15 1826 Essex VIEW
RAND, Margaret F 15 1826 Essex

As Edward was a Master Mariner by 1861, it's possible that he was in training by 1841

No such document.............birth certs didn't exist until the GRO came into being in July 1837

BTW..........for BMD's after that date...........use freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

.........very easy site to use.

And a tip...

When you ask for help, date info is vital..............in this instance, you were fortunate, as the surnames were not too common

Edward Henry Rand, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Edward Henry Rand
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Tarrant
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 1856
Event Place: St. John Baptists Church, Leytonstone, Essex, England
Father's Name: Thomas Rand
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: John Tarrant
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13535-8
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1564141
Reference ID: 2:3FD1R1J

Thankyou to all who replyed. I still need a birth cert for Edward HenryRand. BORN 17-5-1827 forest gate essex.

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Rand Elizabeth 72 W. Ham 4a 135


Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Tarrant Sarah Ann 63 W. Ham 4a 135


Haven't found Edward yet.

Possible deaths - can't find either of them in 1901

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Rand Edward 70 Poplar 1c 302

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
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Rand Elizabeth 72 W. Ham 4a 135

1891 Census

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edward RAND Head M Male 63 West Ham, Essex, England Retired Seaman
Elizabeth RAND Wife M Female 62 West Ham, Essex, England Living by own means
Sarah A. TARRANT Sister In Law U Female 59 West Ham, Essex, England Living by own means

Name Edward Rand
Age 63
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Retired Seaman
Address 8, Selby Road
District West Ham, Leyton
Parish Wanstead
Administrative County Essex
Birth Place Forest Gate
Birth County Essex

So still alive at this time :)

Thanks to all of you for replying to my call for help.Now all i need is a death date.

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Edward RAND Head M Male 53 West Ham, Essex, England Caretaker Of Schools (Service)
Elizabeth RAND Wife M Female 53 West Ham, Essex, England
Edward F. RAND Son Male 14 West Ham, Essex, England Goods Clerk Gery
Sarah A. FARRANT Sister In Law U Female 50 West Ham, Essex, England

Source Information:
Dwelling 27 Burnham St
Census Place West Ham, Essex, England

1861 England Census
about Elizabeth Rand Name: Elizabeth Rand
[Elizabeth Tarrant]
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward Rand
Mother's name: Sarah Tarrant
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Plaistow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Rand 32
Elizabeth Rand 33
Florence Rand 2
Sarah Tarrant 76
Sarah Ann Tarrant 30

For ref

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
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Rand Edward Henry W Ham 4a 13
Tarrant Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 13

1861 census

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1861 England Census
about Elizabeth Rand
Name: Elizabeth Rand
[Elizabeth Tarrant]
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward Rand
Mother's name: Sarah Tarrant
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: Plaistow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Rand 32 Chief Officier in Merchant Navy
Elizabeth Rand 33
Florence Rand 2
Sarah Tarrant 76 Mother in law
Sarah Ann Tarrant 30 Sister in Law





Andy

can anyone help me with finding my gr.gr.grmother elizabeth rand formaly tarrant of westham.