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Ah, Fanny, those are all the standard arguments. ;)

They do it because they want to -- so what? There are lots of antisocial ways people would like to earn money. Doesn't mean we have to make 'em legal. The downsides of prostitution, for society, far outweigh what someone would like to do.

Do the downsides of making it illegal outweigh the downsides of it being legal (as with drugs)? Depends on how it's done.

If it were legal they would be safe? (and other downsides would go away, e.g. trafficking of women and girls into prostitution) -- not in the experience of Amsterdam, etc. It just doesn't work that way for all of the women currently on the street trying to support their drug habits. They aren't suddenly going to become middle-class happy hookers operating out of nice safe houses in nice neighbourhoods. Or register and get licences, or demand safe sex practices ...

Experience in Holland and Australia is that trafficking is not reduced. The men using the women don't give a s* where the women are coming from, and as long as there's demand, there has to be supply. The cheaper and more easily coerced the supply, for the ones profiting from it, the better. It's like any other kind of undesirable work, isn't it? People enter illegally, or are trafficked in (people are trafficked other than for prostitution, too), and exploited. Sex trade exploitation is just a bit more unpleasant and dangerous than sweatshop exploitation.

The law has to be against the buying and the buyers. That's what Sweden -- good old open-minded Sweden -- has done. It isn't illegal to sell the services, it's illegal to buy them, because prostitutes are seen as what they are: victims of a form of exploitation and violence against women. One that civilized societies really don't endorse. And it has cut prostitution and trafficking enormously.

Yes, there are people who need money to support themselves. Turning a society into one where women are bought and sold openly and with tacit social approval isn't the best solution to poverty.

could be those fags !

Gins take a weekend trip to Holland - Amsterdam or Belgium - and you can legally bring home 4000 for own consumption

and all your Christmas presents - we used to do it every December - and stay overnight - great

Renes

Jackson and Aaran had the usual row after coming out of club on their way home.
Aaran gets out halfway,Jackson drove off(not been drinking)Aaron phones him to come back,he picks up phone to answer him (STUPID MAN !)and drops it,bends down, and when he sits back up swerves to miss oncomng car and ends on rail line,train comes and smacks van and Aaran runs up to find him.

Nough??

You can see it on the ITV website thingy I think,but it was an hour long..!

Edits.
I certainly wasnt talking of middle class hookers Janey,I dont know any,I can only talk of the ones I know /knew round Kings Cross/Finsbury Park and the more run down places in London that I have worked or lived in..
I am now going to ignore/not respond to any more of that subject and agree to disagree as like I said,I aint got your way with words for one and have my own opinions which I am entitled to and on this am keeping.....:)

Thank You Miss Gaslight.....that'll do nicely

Aaron is a right kn#b!

Dea Dearest

Yes all fine - but a little lonely momentarily - if at all possible I will spend 10days in UK early December - so will see all my loved ones - children grandchildren and and as many sisters as possible -


Thanks Dea


Renes

Where is dat den Renes?In de UK I means...

Anyhow.....

...had the BEST night last night, fab food, ace company and excellent service

...the waiter got the best tip...a nights wages I bet

It might have something to do with him being a gorgeous Italian ;)

FGB

My family are in Cambs Norfolk and Essex - so fly into Stansted and get toted from county to county

My schedule is usually planned with military precision -

but I love every minute -


Renes

Gins


Tell more - where - what did you eat - all info


Please

Renes

FBG, we're all entitled to those opinions. Each and every one of us, to any old opinion we like.

Not investigating the facts they're based on, or looking at what effects they're likely to have, in case that doesn't support the opinions ... well, we're all entitled to do that, too.

It all happens to be of particular concern to me at the moment here because a judge has just struck down the law against soliciting (only soliciting, keeping a house and living on the avails are illegal here) because it "forces" women onto the street where they're not safe. Since I don't see anybody being forced to do anything (unless they really are being forced), and since I'd rather live in Antarctica than in a society that approves of women being rented for sexual use, I'm hoping to see a successful appeal. Although I'm really hoping we'll go the way of Sweden.

Family Italian....Ive been going years with my girlfriends and have been with JB a couple of times

Took the family yesterday, our treat. We shared just about every starter on the menu...passing it up and down the table and then had mains....

....then the same with the puddings...all up and down the table

My No 1 son's girlfriend is Italian and they know how to have a real family meal

Bread...olives..mushrooms...steak...shark...mussles..pizza..pasta

...I had none of the faces!

Soo, you had bread, olives and mushrooms ??

You really must try my Spanish tomato bread Ginns - It is REALLY yummy !!!

Renes will second that !

Dea x

Sounds wonderful - it is my kind of dining -

family - food and fun - I also love Italian puds

not into a 2inch square of meat/fish with 4 thimble sized "mounds" of pureed veg and of course - a dribble of jus

Renes

Is it safe to come out now? Not many folk can make Fans keep schtumm but JC has managed it;)


*memo to self.....*

talk about controversial/argumentative issues and Fans will stay quiet...!



Welcome back Renes. Sounds like you have had a wonderful time with your sister. It'll take a while to settle down again I guess - for both of you.


I am in danger of becoming gaga......

..today, after OH had had treatment at the dentist, I shrugged my coat back on whilst OH stood staring blankly at me.

"What?" I asked

........then I realised...

I had put HIS coat on.

I didn't have a coat with me!!

Dear oh dear.

OOOhh Cynth - that sounds REALLY sad !!!!

You have a problem methinks??

Not to worry though, we will help you through it !!!

We know all about 'the age thing' !

Dea x

Cyn

I would not worry until


You are sitting in the chair with your mouth open -

Thinking it is you having treatment not OH !!!

Renes

Cyns.....it's when you start dribbling that you have to worry

Dea...Spanish breads. Ive had loads but couldnt tell you what they were called!

Oooh...and why would you argue with a lawyer....they is always right ;)

Sorry Dea

I do not like cooked tomato - in any form -

now garlic bread - herb bread .- cheese bread - onion bread

No tomato bread

Renes

I'll have some Dea....I love cooked tomatoes in any form...yum.

Right, will one of you do me a favour please? Will you send me a pm....any old nonsense will do....and let me know when you have done it. I think I have a problem with my personal email inbox. It isn't showing any new ones but I have had quite a few pms showing on this site. Arghhh.