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Elizabeth Lloyd 1864 - I'm going round in circles,

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Patricia

Patricia Report 12 Jul 2013 00:49

Army Record for Thomas Vincent Scully
This record was difficult to read.

Name: Thomas Vincent Scully
Year of Birth 1889
8 Seymour Street, Euston Road
18th Rifle Brigade
Regimental Number 200447
Letter written by Mrs Elizabeth Scully of 22 Swinton Street, Greys Inn Road,Kings Cross, W C 1 in 1920
asking for Thomas Vincent Scully's medals as he had died on 12th July 1919 in India.

William Henry Scully lived at 22 Swinton Street
In 1925 Albert and Frederick move in with William
BY 1929 Albert is not living with them
In 1938 Elizabeth has moved in with William and Frederick
1939 they have moved to 4 Heriot Place(near to Highgate Road) St Pancras
In 1946 they have moved to 36 Elaine Grove St Pancras, but Elizabeth has gone
I have found a death for an Elizabeth Scully in September 1943 Pancras 1b 84
William and Frederick lived at 36 Elaine Grove until 1957 then I lose them I do not know if they have moved again or both died.

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:59

Possible Army Record for William Henry:-

Name: William Henry Scully
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age at enlistment: 24
RESIDENCE: 22 Swinton St, Kings Cross, W C, London
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 3908
Number of Images: 15
Regiment: Welsh Guards

Next of Kin:- Elizabeth Scully (Mother) of same address.
Occupation: Attendant in Music Hall

Demobilization:- 18th Oct.1919

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:26

1891
Name: Thomas Scully
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 61
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Scully 28
Elizabeth Scully 26
Thomas Scully 2
William Scully 3/12

So no Peter Scully, so who is he ?
I would guess a nephew but to be sure you need to view that record.

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:17

Could be her in 1911

First names KATHLEEN
Birth Year 1893
Birth Year +/- 1 years
Birth Place LONDON
Relationship To Head WIFE
County London
Residence ST. PANCRAS

HOUSEHOLD STONE KATHLEEN MARY F 1893 18 St Pancras London

which would mean she married Robert C. Stone

Living in same household
HOUSEHOLD STONE KATHLEEN EMMA F 1911 8 WEEKS St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD STONE ROBERT CHARLES M 1890 21 St Pancras London


Other possible children for Kathleen:-

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
STONE Robert C (Scully) Pancras 1b 253

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Stone Albert J (Scully) Pancras 1b 245

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Stone Leonard A (Scully) Pancras 1b 233

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:13

She would have been very young, but this could be why she is not on 1911 census:-

Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Camin Antonio Pancras 1b 199
Marzorati Maria Pancras 1b 199
<<<<Scully Kathleen M Pancras 1b 199
Stone Robert C Pancras 1b 199

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:09

This is possibly William (who is 10yrs old in 1901 census)

1911
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY WILLIAM HENRY M 1891 20 St Pancras London

Living in same household
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY ELIZABETH F 1867 44 St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY PETER PARTRICK M 1883 28 St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY THOMAS VINCENT M 1890 21 St Pancras London

There is a Peter Scully, but no sign of Kathleen?

I think you should take a look at both these 1911 records to see exactly what the relationships are.

So Elizabeth is still alive and not remarried at this stage. By taking a look at the original record it could state if she was divorced or not?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 3 Jun 2009 09:07

This looks like Kathleen's birth:-

Name: Kathleen Scully
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 176

Kath. x

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 09:02

for ref:-
1901
Name: Thos Scully
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sanderstead, Durham, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pancras Mother Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 277
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Scully 39
Elizabeth Scully 37 born: Sheerness, Essex
Thos Scully 12 born: Lambeth, London
Willm Scully 10 born: Islington, London
Kathleen Scully 8 born: Islington, London
Arthur Scully 4
Fredk Scully 1

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 08:52

There is this birth in St. Pancras:-

Births Mar 1911 (>99%)
Scully Edward J Pancras 1b 51

so another possible child but you would have to buy the cert. to be sure.

Catherine

Catherine Report 3 Jun 2009 08:49

You could firstly try 1911 census to see what it says:-

First names THOMAS HENRY
Last names SCULLY
Birth Year 1862
Birth Year +/- 1 years
Birth Place SUNDERLAND

HOUSEHOLD SCULLY THOMAS HENRY M 1862 49 St Pancras London

Living in same household
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY ALBERT ERNEST M 1902 9 St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY ARTHUR EDWARD M 1898 13 St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY ELIZABETH F 1867 44 St Pancras London
HOUSEHOLD SCULLY FREDRICK REGINALD M 1900 11 St Pancras London

Patricia

Patricia Report 3 Jun 2009 08:39

My GGF Thomas Scully 1862 was married to Elizabeth Lloyd (I think in June 1888) My mother told me there were 6 children, but I only knew Arthur (1897 my GF) and Albert (c1902). Mum also said the family split up and Thomas took on the youngest three children (Fredrick - c1900, being the third).
Elizabeth had the older three, which my research leaves me to believe are Thomas or Thos c1889, William c1891 and Kathleen c1893.
I am interested to trace Elizabeth and my GF's sibling down to present day. However, either she hid her tracks carefully or its a very common name because I get very conflicting results when I search the various official records.
Here are some of my notes from my research:
1871 Census shows Elizabeth and whole family's place of birth as Mile End, St Pancras, London. I suspect this is an error because
1901 Census looks like born in Essex, Sheerness and that crossed out and then very faintly Kent. Unless this is the wrong Elizabeth.
Philip says: spelt sculey in 1881 census Births Dec 1862 SCULLY Thomas Henry Sunderland 10a 405 Marriages Jun 1888 LLOYD Elizabeth Marylebone 1a 1109 / SCULLY Thomas Henry
An Elizabeth J Lloyd was born in Sheppy (according to the FreeBDM transcription) which is the area that Sheerness is in Jan/Mar 1866 1c 484. However viewing the original it says Stepney not Sheppy.
An Elizabeth L Scully died in 1915 in Barnet 3a 429, can't see any other deaths of the right sort of age, but she may have remarried and so death would have a different surname.

Any help would be much appreciated.